Philosophy of Ju Jitsu

[tooproud]

What do you guys think of this?

PHILOSOPHY OF JU-JITSU

Ju-Jitsu ( the gentle art ) is among the most effective and potentially destructive martial arts. It is one of the most ancient martial arts, starting back over 2,500 years. Ju-Jitsu is also the basis for many of the more modern arts, Including Judo, Karate and Aikido.

A student proficient in the art of Ju-Jitsu has studied techniques that are a combination of Judo ( throws and leverage ), Akido ( nerves and attacker momentum ), Karate ( striking and kicking ), and other martial arts.
A student proficient in the art has the option of doing great bodily harm to his adversary. The practitioner also has the choice of causing his opponent to sense severe pain without any actual injury taking place.
Because of this potential, the serious Ju-Jitsu student also accepts a philosophy of non-violence: a physical confrontation should be avoided whenever possible. The Ju-Jitsu student must adopt an attitude of self-control: He must bend like the willow. All of these will help the student become a better person and, at the same time, help him avoid unnecessary confrontations. It is the inner peace and confidence that the student develops that makes this possible. Patience is the key.

A properly trained student will do everything possible to avoid a physical confrontation, not only because he knows that such a confrontation is unnecessary, but also because he knows that he has a better than average chance of successfully defending himself (therefore, proving it is unnecessary), and because a physical confrontation is philosophically degrading, as it indicates that all other means of avoidance have failed. If it is necessary to use Ju-Jitsu against an adversary, the student must still use self-restraint and good judgment. He must use his knowledge only to protect himself and others from harm, and then only to the extent to protect and remove himself from the situation.

[JIMI]

Gentle art my ass.........

[Szczepankiewicz]

Jimi,

Where do you train in SLC? If you don't want to post, email it me.

Regards,

Spanky

[JIMI]

At the moment im not training at all anywhere. My wife and i just had a baby and its basically taking all my attention, time and energy. When things settle down in a couple of months, i will hopefully be signing up at KALISTA Academy with Kru Bernales. I have thought about going back to where i originally came from which was the Muay Thai Institute, where Sakasem is now teaching, however i doubt i will ever train in that gym again. I would love nothing more than to train with the Champion Sakasem, but i just cant get along very well with the owner.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Do you know anything about these guys?

Muay Thai SLC

[Alpha Jiu Jitsu]

Howdy Szczepankiewicz-

I train in Salt Lake as well, the link you provided is for the Muay Thai Institute that JIMI was talking about.

JIMI that is great that you are going to start training at Kalista Academy with Kru Bernales, I have been training with him over the past year and have only good things to say about him. I took a few classes at the Muay Thai Institute as well and much preferred the environment at Kalista.

Alpha Jiu Jitsu

[Szczepankiewicz]

Let me get this straight, the MT Institute is a good place to train?

Can you elaborate for me? Ya just never know when I'm gonna get down to SLC and I'd like to know who's down there.


Also, my website is specifically designed to provide informational services for Washington, Montana, Oregon, Idaho, and Utah. So anything I can do to help get the word out I'm all up for it.

Regards,

Spanky

[JIMI]

Spanky, the link you provided is to the Institute that i trained at for about 3 years. I was one of his first students before he got really big in SLC. I left however before SAKASEM was there. I feel that he has a state of the art facility, but i left because it seems that when the owner made his money, he stopped showing up and started having students that trained less than i did, start teaching his classes. So i left. I have thought about going back there to train with Sakasem from FAIRTEX, but i have heard that he will be leaving soon, moving somewhere else and starting his own gym. So really my options are limited. The only other place close to me that i would consider going to is Kalista. I have thought about going to Kru Yamasaki in Bountiful but not sure if that will happen. His school costs less than Kalista but there is quite a big distance to travel to and from it everyday. Right now my focus is on my son so my future with martial arts is pretty much on hold.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Thanks chief!

[Toudiyama]

One thing Karate is not derived from ju jitsu, it came from Okinawa after which it was japanized and some styles combined ju jitsu with okinawan karate

originaly JJ was ment for samurai who lost their weapons, therefore strikes in JJ are simple and always aimed at points not protected by the armor
Same is true for Kenjitsu, there for instance they strike the armpit and inside of the arm where kendo stikes the protected parts

Karate is not a Martial Art in the sense that true martial arts were used on the battlefield(that's what Martial means) it was practiced by nobleman and okinawan variant of the samurai but not for the battlefield

The Ju of Ju jitsu and judo probably mean more like soft as oposed to hard weapons than soft techniques
yielding to overcome is a great principle but I still ask myself if it works if there is a 30-50 kg(or even more) weight difference
Why else are there weight divisions in judo?
As long as it was japanese angains japanese there wasn't trhat much weight difference but in a global village this is totally different
Doesn't say it doesn't help just that it doesn't matter as much as in japanese fudal times

[swan104]

I can't really see the "Gentle" part of Judo or Jujitsu. Surely weight and strength must play a part in being able to "shift" a person? Isn't that why Sumo wrestlers are the way they are?

There was an article in this months, or last months copy of "Grappling" magazine that had an interview with Helio Gracie in it. In the interview, he said that fighters these days (I think he was referring the quality of fighters in NHB tournaments) rely too much on brute strength rather than techinical skill.

Steven

[kungfupanda]

Naw Swan. My instructor, who is comparatively TINY, slings the heaviest of men all around the dojo with ease. Then, to my surprise, the little girls follow suit and get to slingin!! LOL

No doubt that karate is independent. But jujitsu has similar strikes. Jujitsu= one of the most complete arts ever.its in the same field as Hapkido, krabbiKrabong, and perhaps MMA

[Toudiyama]

Originally posted by kungfupanda
Naw Swan. My instructor, who is comparatively TINY, slings the heaviest of men all around the dojo with ease. Then, to my surprise, the little girls follow suit and get to slingin!! LOL

No doubt that karate is independent. But jujitsu has similar strikes. Jujitsu= one of the most complete arts ever.its in the same field as Hapkido, krabbiKrabong, and perhaps MMA

It is one of the most complete arts, butI think the fact that the strikes are now similar tells me that they were influenced by karate
Look at how Aikidostrikes and those in judokata are done and you know how jujitsu strikes were done in the 19th century
you can also look at the techniques of very traditional/classical ryu

And this I find a good thing, adjust the techniques to be most effecient, don't just stick to tradition just because of tradition because it doesn't make sense :
Any Founder of a style, did so because he found a more effecient better way to work AND the school he was in didn't accept the better way so he had to start his own school
Now if this happened to you and 20 years later a student would come to you and show you a more effecient way of doing things would you be so inconsequent to say no this is the way we have always been doing it, so go away

No modern ju jitsu isn't affraid copy things from other arts and so they should otherwise how do you defend aginst these foreign techniques

And how was the saying : better a good copy than a bad original?

[ceasarx]

I am a long term practioner of TJJ and I have been researching its history. I have found that the true mentality of TJJ was meant to kill someone on a battlefield not to be nice to them and practice the love thy enemy routine. that practice came into effect when the feudal dynasties came to an end and AikiJuJitsu started to develope as an aristocrated art. As far as it being the founder of Judo and Karate I can say this . most Japanese systems are Jujitsu based, But karate originated in china and then went to okinawa. and the reason Jujitsu strikes look alot like karate strikes is because they were influenced by Kenpo ( chinese boxing )
Oh and one more thing I am not sur about this but I think that Jujitsu was supposed to be the subtle science but on this fact I have no real fact I am just guessing

[Toudiyama]

Originally posted by ceasarx
I am a long term practioner of TJJ and I have been researching its history. I have found that the true mentality of TJJ was meant to kill someone on a battlefield not to be nice to them and practice the love thy enemy routine. that practice came into effect when the feudal dynasties came to an end and AikiJuJitsu started to develope as an aristocrated art. As far as it being the founder of Judo and Karate I can say this . most Japanese systems are Jujitsu based, But karate originated in china and then went to okinawa. and the reason Jujitsu strikes look alot like karate strikes is because they were influenced by Kenpo ( chinese boxing )
Oh and one more thing I am not sur about this but I think that Jujitsu was supposed to be the subtle science but on this fact I have no real fact I am just guessing

When it was used at the battlefield it was a minor art of the many arts a samurai would learn 18 of them were considered martial and ju jitsu was the only unarmed fighting art
Most time would be spend on swordplay(source Bugei ju-happan)
Only when the peacetime came under the first shogun, so not the end of the feudaltimes started the further development of ju jitsu
what the end of the feudal system did was make the arts available for common people because unemployed samurai started teaching

as for the kenpo link for ju jitsu punches I'm still not shure about that, take the anti chinese feelings in the beginning of the 20th century, karate had to change it's name to karate before it would read:Karate kenpo meaning :chinese hand/fightingmethod Fistmethod(te/ti means both hand and fightingmethod
kenpo already indicated a chinese connection as was kara so the changed it to karatejitsu emty hand art nomore chinese no more kenpo
Okinawa was japans link to china

Oh with traditional I mean anything founded about 200 years ago anything less than 80 years will have been influenced by karate anyway as it will have been influenced by judo and aikido and even boxing
If a knifehand is called te gatana it's classical if shuto it's karate influenced (both are written the same though in japanese)
but this for the bigger part MHO