Trad MA vs MMA vs Streetfighter

[Great Sage]

For those of you who believe traditional MA’s are useless, let me offer a different perspective. Traditional MA’s are being practiced out of context. For the ancient Chinese, Koreans or Japanese, there were bandits, corrupt governments and feudal wars... Hence, these people developed MA’s for survival... Such is not the case today. To replicate the same techniques that a small Japanese farmer used to defeat a Japanese soldier in ancient times, and think that it will save you may or may not work. Those techniques were relevant in that time and place, but do they merit today?

I say “certainly.” That’s why we have MMA’s. MMA’s is essentially the product of different effective strategies, techniques and philosophy of different MA’s. Therefore, it is what Okinawan Karate was to the Okinawans, or kung-fu to the Chinese — a means to adapt to skirmishes... Granted, we have more luxury than they did.

Now, understand the irony when streetfighters say “MMA is useless.” It is the same as when we say, “MA is useless.” Personally, I don’t buy it when people say, “he can box, but can he really fight?” If the guy can clean your clock in the ring, he’ll do the same in a real fight... I speak from first-hand experience. Some people street fight a lot, but many of their opponents are less than impressive. On the other hand, a MMArtist trains intensively, spars with other specialists and conditions his psychology to the mindset of the “fight.” All bets on the table, I’ll go with the MMA’s guy.

[Szczepankiewicz]

You left out:

vs. dumbass internet post




Who would win between Superman, the Hulk, and She-Ra, Princess of Power?

[ryanhall]

Aquaman would win.

[Kingston]

There accualy was a comic where Superman and the hulk fought each other. Hulk lost . I personaly dont like superman that much, hes to strong. he's either kicking your @ss or as weak as a baby under that kryptonite stuff. He also seems to have random powers, like super blowing powers to cool lava or something. Its retarted. He also seems to be able to survive in space. But why would he keep his powers in space? i thought back on his home planet everyone was just like regular humans, only when he's on earth do his powers come out......or whatever. At least that was the understanding i had about his powers. (or maybe it was just all the kryptonite on krypton...thats probably it.)

Its stupid how he died then came back to life again......ah well.

Great sage first of all MMA is not the product of different effective strageties, techniques and philosophies of different MA's.

MMA is for sports. the Strategies are for sport, techniques are for sport, whatever philosophy it has if any would reflect the sporty enviroment it has. Boxing is a sport MMA is a sport.

Granted it's a sport with little rules but its still a sport.

Whats the difference between MA's that dont compete for sport and MA's that do? RULES. Rules that = restrictions.

[Toudiyama]

Kingston:

MMA have one more thing on non competition arts: fighting experience

[Kingston]

who says non competition arts dont spar? hopefully when they spar they dont spar to develope good competition skills!!

[Szczepankiewicz]

This is a question more for Elmore Sensei.

But why would he keep his powers in space?

The Yellow Star in our solar system gives kryptonians super powers.

The star in Krypton's solar system wasn't yellow.

[Kingston]

MMA are good for fight experience though, its alot more intense then most TMA's that convert to sport.

The worst thing that can happen to a TMA is it to become a sport. Perhaps MT is the one exeption but that is definatly up for debate.

[Kingston]

Im not a big fan of the DC comics i like marvel better. Whats up with the justice league, are we supposed to beleave batman can keep up with those guys?

i mean look at it you got superman who is insane, Thor whos a god, the green lantern, wonder woman, the flash. Then you got little old batman....what can he do? beat up teenage thugs? ask questions to his bat computer?

and another thing, how can a group of heros that powerfull ever have trouble with villians? superman himself could single handedly destroy half the stuff they come up against, yet somehow they still have a hell of a time getting anything done.

.......ah well.

Isn't Thor from Marvel?

I loved Marvel too, but it got to the stage that there are just too many super heroes and villains out there. There are millions of them. You'd be doing your shopping next to Daredevil, or waiting for a bus behind the Hulk.

Too silly.

[Tom Yum]

back to Sage's post, its true that the caliber of streetfighter can vary. However, there's no doubt that Tyson can fight in or out of the ring. I would say the same for Hollyfield, Shamrock or any other. People will instinctively pick up chairs, rocks, sticks and use them to get an advantage, but what if they miss? Or what if the guy can close the distance?

Or fly?

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by Kingston
Great sage first of all MMA is not the product of different effective strageties, techniques and philosophies of different MA's.

Really?... And I suppose all the grappling holds used by MMA guys are in no way related to judo, ju jitsu, right?... All the principles, techniques of MMA come from the TMA in some form or another.

Originally posted by Kingston
MMA is for sports. the Strategies are for sport, techniques are for sport, whatever philosophy it has if any would reflect the sporty enviroment it has. Boxing is a sport MMA is a sport.

Whether these fighting arts are sport-oriented or not, they convey enough "fighting" simulation to be effective means of defense. Like I said before it's the context. Also, I'll still put my money on the MMA guy.

[eighteenvisions]

QUOTE

"Now, understand the irony when streetfighters say “MMA is useless.” It is the same as when we say, “MA is useless.” Personally, I don’t buy it when people say, “he can box, but can he really fight?” If the guy can clean your clock in the ring, he’ll do the same in a real fight...

If he's a 1 dimensional boxer than he cannot properly defend the lower half of his body or have any ground game. Even though I am not a " BLACK BELT" IN "KARATE" I would certainly notice habits in a fighter.


You sound like one of those old traditional " KUNG-FU" guys......."No my style is superior" I will admit that a very LARGE percentage of street fighters are scrubs and winning against one doesn't count for anything at all. BUT! They're are exceptions, Like me! I know ha ha. Believe it or not there are people in the REAL WORLD that have to work to make ends meet. I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE ON THIS THREAD OR FORUM DOESN'T DO THE SAME. But not everyone is independlty weathly or have rich parents, I work my ass off all day and still have time and energy to hit the bag, run, lift weights, and spar. Just becuz I don't have $ to go to a school or just becuz I don't have any "TOUGH MAN" trophys does not mean I'm a scrub. Any body who devotes them self truly to something gets my respect. I'm not gonna respect a Muay Thai fighter but not a Karate guy becuz I feel Muay Thai is a superior style. RECOGNIZE the difference in I sit on the couch all day but I'm a "street fighter" and I work my ass off from the second I wake till the second I fall asleep WORKING CLASS STREET FIGHTER.

Before everyone jumps to discredit me. I don't think I'm tough I don't look for fights........But I have a 2year old Son and a Babbies Momma Drama, I have to make sure they're safe. If you guy's are ring fighters thats awesome and you have got my respect but keep in mind not everyone can hurt someone for sport.

One last thing................When do you guys have time to train or anything???????????YOUR ALWAYS ON THE FORUM?!?!?!?!?!?

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by eighteenvisions
If he's a 1 dimensional boxer than he cannot properly defend the lower half of his body or have any ground game. Even though I am not a " BLACK BELT" IN "KARATE" I would certainly notice habits in a fighter.

Let me just say that if you've never fought a boxer, don't make assumptions on their fighting prowess. I guarantee you that most professionals and amateurs alike will attest that boxers are among the toughest people you will find. If you believe that having kicking skills or grappling skills will automatically legitimize your chances against a boxer, think again. It's not that simple. A boxer's footwork and sense of range is his lower defense... If you don't believe me, get in the ring and you'll find out real quick it's not as easy as you thought to get close to him. The same is true of a Muay Thai fighter.

Originally posted by eighteenvisions
Before everyone jumps to discredit me. I don't think I'm tough I don't look for fights........But I have a 2year old Son and a Babbies Momma Drama, I have to make sure they're safe. If you guy's are ring fighters thats awesome and you have got my respect but keep in mind not everyone can hurt someone for sport.

In other words, you have no justification other than your own personal opinion that streetfighters are equal to Martial Artists... That's fine if you're a good street fighter, but anyone can benefit from learning the little nuances of the fight game.