The Ultimate in Martial Arts

unknown warrior · 04-10-2003, 12:03 PM

Im just curious to see what people believe about Kata practice. I personally believe Kata is very important. it contains the fighting styles of old masters. It builds strength and speed and great concentration. It also teaches techniques that are not formally taught in a class.

What are your views?

ryanhall · 04-10-2003, 12:21 PM

Good Lord...not this one again.

Toudiyama · 04-10-2003, 12:22 PM

Kata as it is done nowadays(couple of koryustyles excepted) is not much more than calesthenics which train a senseof timing and balance

For the vision of the old style look at http://clubsoc.dit.ie/karate/katafacts.htm and http://www.society.webcentral.com.au/ for the views of Patrick McCarthy a respected teacher of Kyusho and Koryu Karate

kengar · 04-10-2003, 12:43 PM

I'd have to agree with you. The same applies when a boxer shadow boxes or a grappler shadow grapples. Your body becomes accustomed to movements through kata, thus enhancing techniques.

Szczepankiewicz · 04-10-2003, 01:19 PM

Ryanhall,

You're not surprised are you?

04-10-2003, 01:23 PM

Please lock the thread....... Please. I'm begging you......

Szczepankiewicz · 04-10-2003, 01:25 PM

For only about the 5th time in my life, I totally agree with BT.

seeker · 04-10-2003, 01:37 PM

I just want to say this to BT and some others. If you think that some thread is stubid/uninteresting you can choose not to read it!

04-10-2003, 01:46 PM

I can't. I am insanely drawn to the naive stupidity of believing that Kata builds fighting ability.......

It's like driving past a road traffic accident. You can't help looking at the mess on the floor........

Szczepankiewicz · 04-10-2003, 01:51 PM

Or you can choose to ask the moderator to close it.

I think kata is a valuable tool for learning techniques. However kata does not explicitly equate to fighting skill.

But we've hashed this out at least a dozen times already.

Hence the request to close the post. Stubid.

04-10-2003, 01:56 PM

No. I still liken kata to the road traffic accident.

You'll look like the mess on the floor if you tried to train for real fighting using Kata.

Szczepankiewicz · 04-10-2003, 01:58 PM

That's just it biatch, Kata doesn't teach you how to 'fight' that's what 'fighting' is for.

Full contact sparring/grappling. I.E. Randori.

Posting on internet forums doesn't make you a good 'martial artist' but that doesn't seem to stop YOU from doing it you great big idiot!

04-10-2003, 02:02 PM

Thats where you're wrong. I'm signing up for the on-line Black Belt.

So watch out!

Szczepankiewicz · 04-10-2003, 05:04 PM

Too late chum, I already have three online blackbelt ninja certificates.

ryanhall · 04-10-2003, 06:20 PM

Spanky,
Elmore Sensei won't appreciate you talking about your Super Secret Certification in His Uber Deadly Art. You will reap the fearful consequences for your inability to keep quiet. Never forget the old adage 'Loose lips make Ninjas angry.'

As for this thread:
Keep it on topic and (God willing) brief. I'm not going to close it outright, but it won't take much for this thread to end. There was a very long discussion on kata that took place a few weeks ago. Look through the archives. Thank you.

04-10-2003, 12:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
unknown warrior Novice Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hereford, England Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is there a need for Kata in todays martial arts? Im just curious to see what people believe about Kata practice. I personally believe Kata is very important. it contains the fighting styles of old masters. It builds strength and speed and great concentration. It also teaches techniques that are not formally taught in a class. What are your views?

04-10-2003, 12:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good Lord...not this one again. __________________ "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

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kengar Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ky. Posts: 422 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd have to agree with you. The same applies when a boxer shadow boxes or a grappler shadow grapples. Your body becomes accustomed to movements through kata, thus enhancing techniques. __________________ Hummm.....

04-10-2003, 06:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Spanky, Elmore Sensei won't appreciate you talking about your Super Secret Certification in His Uber Deadly Art. You will reap the fearful consequences for your inability to keep quiet. Never forget the old adage 'Loose lips make Ninjas angry.' As for this thread: Keep it on topic and (God willing) brief. I'm not going to close it outright, but it won't take much for this thread to end. There was a very long discussion on kata that took place a few weeks ago. Look through the archives. Thank you. __________________ "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

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04-10-2003, 12:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Toudiyama Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Zaandam Netherlands Posts: 231 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kata as it is done nowadays(couple of koryustyles excepted) is not much more than calesthenics which train a senseof timing and balance For the vision of the old style look at http://clubsoc.dit.ie/karate/katafacts.htm and http://www.society.webcentral.com.au/ for the views of Patrick McCarthy a respected teacher of Kyusho and Koryu Karate

04-10-2003, 01:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ryanhall, You're not surprised are you?

04-10-2003, 01:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	Please lock the thread....... Please. I'm begging you......

04-10-2003, 01:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	For only about the 5th time in my life, I totally agree with BT.

04-10-2003, 01:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
seeker Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 87 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just want to say this to BT and some others. If you think that some thread is stubid/uninteresting you can choose not to read it!

04-10-2003, 01:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	I can't. I am insanely drawn to the naive stupidity of believing that Kata builds fighting ability....... It's like driving past a road traffic accident. You can't help looking at the mess on the floor........

04-10-2003, 01:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Or you can choose to ask the moderator to close it. I think kata is a valuable tool for learning techniques. However kata does not explicitly equate to fighting skill. But we've hashed this out at least a dozen times already. Hence the request to close the post. Stubid.

04-10-2003, 01:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	No. I still liken kata to the road traffic accident. You'll look like the mess on the floor if you tried to train for real fighting using Kata.

04-10-2003, 01:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's just it biatch, Kata doesn't teach you how to 'fight' that's what 'fighting' is for. Full contact sparring/grappling. I.E. Randori. Posting on internet forums doesn't make you a good 'martial artist' but that doesn't seem to stop YOU from doing it you great big idiot!

04-10-2003, 02:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	Thats where you're wrong. I'm signing up for the on-line Black Belt. So watch out!

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04-10-2003, 05:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Too late chum, I already have three online blackbelt ninja certificates.