Traditional Karate-do or modern Karate?

[unknown warrior]

Today many karata-ka are in it for the competition only. I think this is a great shame because they are loosing out on the traditional side of the art as well. Are competion karate-ka good fighters in the street and are traditional karate-ka good fighters in competition?

what do u think?

[Szczepankiewicz]

It is against the law to fight in the street.

To train to fight in the street seems to be premediated law breaking.

[unknown warrior]

its only against the law if u get caught right.........lol but however if u are defending yourself then it is not against the law.

[seeker]

I´m thinking about starting Karate sometime this year and I will definately start training in a traditional Karate-do school. I think that the new ways of approaching karate or any martial art leaves out something really important: the old traditions of the arts. I'm already training Muaythai and the training in our gym is more or less just training of different techniques and I miss the "old approach" of training. I used to do Aikido and tae kwon do, but stopped them and started MT and western boxing.

[CHOKE UK]

seeker, if you are already doing muay thai, then why would you want to take up karate?

Are you sure it is muay thai, and not that "thai-box-dancing-business " ?

If you are doig proper thai boxing, then you will quickly find out the differences betwwen this and karate, when it comes to ONE-ON-ONE and you will probably make the instructor look inadequate.

Dont end up in the new betty ford clinic !!!!!!!!!!!

[seeker]

I am doing real thaiboxing. There are people training under the same instructor than me who have been fighting in for example kings cup-tournament in Thailand.King Jomhod has also been training in our gym before he started his own gym.
I want to do karate because I want to learn different techniques than the "hard" (I don't mean only hard ones to learn, but hard in the way that they are made to crush the opponent) ones I´m learning doing thaiboxing. I'm also starting Shootfighting next week. It is all about doing everything to learn as much you can.

[Toudiyama]

Originally posted by CHOKE UK
seeker, if you are already doing muay thai, then why would you want to take up karate?

Are you sure it is muay thai, and not that "thai-box-dancing-business " ?

If you are doig proper thai boxing, then you will quickly find out the differences betwwen this and karate, when it comes to ONE-ON-ONE and you will probably make the instructor look inadequate.

Dont end up in the new betty ford clinic !!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah right, former stydent of our club, a police officer, comes around with a guy who was one of the better kickboxers ar one of the best schools in Amsterdam( former students words not ours) the only thing that kept me from totally overpowering him ( I wasn't the teacher at that time) was the fact that I couldn't sweep him without him landing his head aginst the wall ( he stayed close to the wall all times) and that is something I do not do, damaging others even if they only come to show how good they are (have had kung fu, pentjak silat and TKD people come for this reason and leave knowing they lost even though we didn't damage them appaart from their pride, well one other BB might have driven his sidekick rather deep
None of my student who went to train in other arts like kick boxing had any problems to keep themselfs standing nor did I when I did it when I was still a student
AND we did Wado the karate known for not using much power
Most karateka I know, did NOT start karate for selfdefence so why keep hammering on the notion that it might not work in real life if you happen to come across a thaiboxer who attacks you

[CHOKE UK]

Tiudiyama

You are dont see my point !

I am not singing the praises of kick/thai boxing.
You have misinterpreted !

I am pointing out the deficiencies of many karate clubs.

If what you say is true, then obviously, yours is not one of them !

Thou protesteth too much, me thinks !

That being the standard of your club,
then great !

We agree.

But i am sure you will agree,
this is not the average karate club.

Then my criticims are not directed at you,
and if your club is this good then you will see my point about many other karate clubs.

You can check out of the betty ford clinic, for inadequate karateka !

[Toudiyama]

Pitty I stopped teaching there as did most of the "founders" of the open mind
I left the club before and after that a spanish guy took over, machismo helps to get the wrong view
The only reason why my teacher ( I did one night and the other I trained with him) and I never saw karatecompetition as a goal, it's fun but no more than that, we liked training harder than ususal and sparring the same way especially on saterdays and sundays
We ended the season with karatefootbal or karaterugby, 2 chairs as goal and anything goes, you can takedown a person not having the ball, me being one of the biggest was othen atacked as a precaution
Ah these were fun times but now both my teacher and I don't have any contact anymore with the club, they started to focus on doing tournament(non contact) and they are starting to fit your discription

I know we agree, we just do not agree on how you tend to put it
Now when a newbee comes to this forum and reads your post he will think karate is crap no matter what, it looks like it's senseless to even look for a good karateschool/teacher

Now ontopic: traditional karate because it doesn't limit the techniques to reverse punch, backfist, roundhouse kick and reverse roundhousekick(ushiro mawashi geri so without turning)
Other techniques don't score or even the opposite the opponent gets points, trad will teach you all the techniques of karate and as long as dojosparring doesn't prohibit any techniques it will make you a more alround fighter