"Real" Ninjutsu

Veljko · 05-03-2003, 06:33 AM

Hi all and greetings from Europe!

Been to a local MA school yesterday and attended a demo of Ninjutsu. Now, I don't know much about this stuff and can't really tell if it's "real" Ninjutsu or some other art. Anyway, here's the interesting part: during the demonstration, the instructor asked if anyone would like to try some real contact. Three of my friends with I'm-a-bully-all-my-life-and-proud-of-it attitude signed up. They're in pretty good shape and know a thing or two about fighting, but nothing ultra. They attacked the guy from different sides and tried pretty much everything (punched, kicked, pulled, grabbed...the only thing they didn't do was bite). One could tell it was real, unlike some Aikido demos I've seen (I have no intention of insulting anyone or anything) where the supposed "attackers" rush like cows, obviously don't use force or counter-attack. My friends failed to inflict almost a single blow and gave up. They weren't hurt bad, only have a few bruises now as the instructor had no intent to injure them, just display defense. I must say I am pretty impressed by this style and technique, but do they call it Ninjutsu just to collect money from people thinking "Ninjas are cool, I want to become a Ninja" I don't know.
Just wanted to share the experience!

Regards

jhinds · 05-03-2003, 11:10 AM

When I used to train in the Bujinkan and Genbukan (Ninjutsu), we did drills like this almost every class. Black belts did multiples. Lower belts, just singles. Lots of bumps and bruises, but we could defend ourselves fairly well, at least I like to think so

Cain · 05-03-2003, 11:18 AM

one year is the longest one would do MA..? what crap is that?

Veljko · 05-03-2003, 04:38 PM

Yes, I'm primarily looking for a self-defense class applicable in the real world. He was fast, but what impressed me is the he knew what to do and how to do it and this with one guy in front and one in the back trying to hurt him. He thinks fast and reacts fast.
The school seems pretty good, no attitude, good atmosphere. I believe I'll give it a go.
It can be only good for me. Is it the best? I don't know, and anyway who knows what best is and will be when the time of need comes.

Regards

Cain · 05-04-2003, 07:22 AM

exactly, most people that train drop out the first 4-5 months... when they have trained from a year and more, they stick to it..

Veljko · 05-04-2003, 11:45 AM

I agree that everything isn't for everyone, but perhaps this has much to do with one's determination and/or patience? Any comments welcome.
I'll try and see how I progress, I really don't think I can dismiss it overnight.
Also, I have found a dojo that teaches Okinawa Karate, and what is interesting, they teach Shorin Ryu and also Kobudo for the experienced.
The instructor appears to be a great guy and says they don't teach fancy movie kicks and stuff, but to be prepared and defend yourself when necessary.
Their demos are interesting, nice moves, locks and grabs but somewhat programmed, so there's no way of really knowing if it would be just as effective on the street.
Also, I don't understand why some users on this forum have the need to often muster other users. I believe we can discuss in a civilized and appropriate manner, without bashing others.

Regards

05-04-2003, 03:07 PM

Since the vast majority of martial arts classes teach crap, its a fair bet that many of the people who give up so quickly do so because they think its shite.

Nick · 05-04-2003, 04:19 PM

Okinawan Karate is solid and realistic. I suggest you try that class.

Later...

05-05-2003, 03:27 AM

I don't need convincing. I strongly believe that Karate can be one of the most effective self defence arts of the lot. But it has been diluted by the greedy and incompetent to a massive extent.

When I finally found Combatives I felt like I had found the style of fighting I had been looking for ever since I|first wandered into a Karate Dojo.

Toudiyama · 05-05-2003, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bri Thai
I don't need convincing. I strongly believe that Karate can be one of the most effective self defence arts of the lot. But it has been diluted by the greedy and incompetent to a massive extent.

When I finally found Combatives I felt like I had found the style of fighting I had been looking for ever since I|first wandered into a Karate Dojo.

That's the system that prefers openhandstrikes isn't it?( read a story about it from an irish bouncer)

05-03-2003, 06:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Veljko Novice Join Date: May 2003 Location: EU Posts: 3	"Real" Ninjutsu Hi all and greetings from Europe! Been to a local MA school yesterday and attended a demo of Ninjutsu. Now, I don't know much about this stuff and can't really tell if it's "real" Ninjutsu or some other art. Anyway, here's the interesting part: during the demonstration, the instructor asked if anyone would like to try some real contact. Three of my friends with I'm-a-bully-all-my-life-and-proud-of-it attitude signed up. They're in pretty good shape and know a thing or two about fighting, but nothing ultra. They attacked the guy from different sides and tried pretty much everything (punched, kicked, pulled, grabbed...the only thing they didn't do was bite). One could tell it was real, unlike some Aikido demos I've seen (I have no intention of insulting anyone or anything) where the supposed "attackers" rush like cows, obviously don't use force or counter-attack. My friends failed to inflict almost a single blow and gave up. They weren't hurt bad, only have a few bruises now as the instructor had no intent to injure them, just display defense. I must say I am pretty impressed by this style and technique, but do they call it Ninjutsu just to collect money from people thinking "Ninjas are cool, I want to become a Ninja" I don't know. Just wanted to share the experience! Regards

05-03-2003, 11:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cain Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 388	one year is the longest one would do MA..? what crap is that? __________________ any given fighter can beat any given fighter on any given day.. so.. what are you waiting for Rickson, I'm here..

05-04-2003, 07:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cain Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 388	exactly, most people that train drop out the first 4-5 months... when they have trained from a year and more, they stick to it.. __________________ any given fighter can beat any given fighter on any given day.. so.. what are you waiting for Rickson, I'm here..

05-04-2003, 04:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nick Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 194	... Okinawan Karate is solid and realistic. I suggest you try that class. Later...

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05-03-2003, 11:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
jhinds Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 19	When I used to train in the Bujinkan and Genbukan (Ninjutsu), we did drills like this almost every class. Black belts did multiples. Lower belts, just singles. Lots of bumps and bruises, but we could defend ourselves fairly well, at least I like to think so

05-03-2003, 04:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Veljko Novice Join Date: May 2003 Location: EU Posts: 3	Yes, I'm primarily looking for a self-defense class applicable in the real world. He was fast, but what impressed me is the he knew what to do and how to do it and this with one guy in front and one in the back trying to hurt him. He thinks fast and reacts fast. The school seems pretty good, no attitude, good atmosphere. I believe I'll give it a go. It can be only good for me. Is it the best? I don't know, and anyway who knows what best is and will be when the time of need comes. Regards

05-04-2003, 11:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
Veljko Novice Join Date: May 2003 Location: EU Posts: 3	I agree that everything isn't for everyone, but perhaps this has much to do with one's determination and/or patience? Any comments welcome. I'll try and see how I progress, I really don't think I can dismiss it overnight. Also, I have found a dojo that teaches Okinawa Karate, and what is interesting, they teach Shorin Ryu and also Kobudo for the experienced. The instructor appears to be a great guy and says they don't teach fancy movie kicks and stuff, but to be prepared and defend yourself when necessary. Their demos are interesting, nice moves, locks and grabs but somewhat programmed, so there's no way of really knowing if it would be just as effective on the street. Also, I don't understand why some users on this forum have the need to often muster other users. I believe we can discuss in a civilized and appropriate manner, without bashing others. Regards

05-04-2003, 03:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	Since the vast majority of martial arts classes teach crap, its a fair bet that many of the people who give up so quickly do so because they think its shite.

05-05-2003, 03:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	I don't need convincing. I strongly believe that Karate can be one of the most effective self defence arts of the lot. But it has been diluted by the greedy and incompetent to a massive extent. When I finally found Combatives I felt like I had found the style of fighting I had been looking for ever since I\|first wandered into a Karate Dojo.

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