Systema vs Krav Maga

[Azzazzin]

One taught to the Isreali army, the other taught to the Russian

Which is more effective?

(just wondering, I would probably try out both anyways)

[DRLashambe]

Do you actually have the option to do both? My instructor is a Canadian champion in submission grappling, pancration, and kickboxing. After two lessons with a Systema teacher, he said that he would switch to that art in a second if we had a local teacher. Systema is obviously much less common than Krava Maga, but is also radically different in form and concept than most other martial arts styles. I've heard nothing but good things from the people who've taken it. I'm in London Ontario, and it's taught in Toronto (two hours away), and there are lots of people willing to go twice a month to study.

[Crouchtig]

thats just sick

terry

i know you like to make a point of only deleting my stuff to piss me off but you cant let this guy get away with this

BAN HIM NOW!!!

[Azzazzin]

Well, I have many family members who live in Isreal, so I have alot of respect for their army. I know they train their soldiers hard (as I know many aswell) so I was wondering how effective it is...

Kingston recomended a place in Thornhill where I live, that teaches Systema, and it's a 10 min walk from my house...

I am most likely going to train there (as I have aswell only heard good things), and I'm going today to check it out.

I was wondering if the two arts were similar since they are both army combat arts...

[ryanhall]

Crouchtig,
It's one hell of a convenience that every time our newest troll posts, our second most recent one follows only minutes later. Either you spend every waking hour on this site ready to defend the honor of all those who post here, or you are unholyaardvark. I wonder which one it is. Get a hobby.

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Azzazzin
I was wondering if the two arts were similar since they are both army combat arts...

nope. I think you'll see that Systema is pretty unique(though it is "combatives"). Systema is better. Trust me krav doesn't give you as much options i dont think.....not as comprehensive...."hurt the bad guy untill he cant hurt you back" kind of mentality, doesn't seem like "fun" to me lol

I could go on and on, but i wont. I think you'll like Systema, and if not, thats cool to.

[Azzazzin]

I went and checked it out, and it was deffinately differnt from what I have seen...

There is no conditioning at all!

Im kinda wondering how good this could be if it doesn't turn you into a well conditioned fighter?

[Kingston]

(i already wrote a post, i think ill elaborate a little)

doesn't produce conditioned fighters?

Systema does not go into tournaments, and how its put together your attacker does not neccesarily have the advantage if he is stronger or in better shape then you. It doesn't count on you being in good shape when somebody attacks you. Some techniqes accualy work better the more the attacker is resisting. (granted if the guy is about 60 lbs heavier then you, it mite be a little harder )

the practices are made so you dont "waste" time on conditioning, you start learning almost right off the bat. a small warmup, and some pushups or squats here and there, these are for breathing exercises though (and getting heavy hands, making you tired).

being strong and fit definatly help...... no dout....but working out is not systema, learning how to defend yourself is what systema is about. I think thats an important point....your not paying to work out, your paying to learn how to defend yourself. Though i have gotten stronger and in a little better shape since i started systema, Nothing like i would in MT though.

you'll see that when you do things right it takes a suprisingly small amount of energy on your part. Other arts such as muay thai take allot of energy to "stop a threat" (unless you get an early knockout). That is why it is needed to have more conditioning....you cant be good at mauy thai if your not fit, you can be good at Systema when your not fit. Even injured.

But it is always good to be in shape, not just for your fighting ability but for your overall health.

[DRLashambe]

Kingston:

I thought you guys had a day set aside for people to just do conditioning.

[edro]

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[Azzazzin]

I don't just want to learn to fight...

I want to be the best fighter...

I think some of the stuff from Systema might be usefull, but especially so when well conditioned, which is why I want to do both MT and Systema...

[ryanhall]

I want to be the best fighter...

I hope you're willing to train for hours a day every day. For a novice, you'd be better off thinking about learning how to fight well in the first place. If you've got the time, motivation, and talent necessary, then you might go a step further.

[Kingston]

Originally posted by DRLashambe
Kingston:

I thought you guys had a day set aside for people to just do conditioning.

lol oh ya i forgot about those saturday classes, iv only been to one, i think it's just been taged with that name because the material is different in that class. More "basics" rolling...movement.....still a very good class. I would go more if i have the money/time, to go regularly.

[Azzazzin]

Originally posted by ryanhall

I hope you're willing to train for hours a day every day. For a novice, you'd be better off thinking about learning how to fight well in the first place. If you've got the time, motivation, and talent necessary, then you might go a step further.

I'm only 16 right now, turning 17 in 2 months...

I have 4 months off school right now, with nothing to do, and I want to be in good shape, as well as a good fighter by the end of the summer...

[Kingston]

Originally posted by edro
all things considered...I'd put my money on a conditioned thai fighter over an unconditioned systema practitioner...all things being equal. A thai fighter can grab the throat, gouge the eyes, and kick to the crotch as well as the next guy, not to mention submission, ...but an unconditioned systema prac. can't throw knockout strikes or take as much damage.
The whole arguement is just like the beginnings of jiu-jitsu. Everbody said that you didn't have to be in shape or strong to use jiu-jitsu effectively...which is true...unless you go up against someone who IS strong and in shape...and also knows jiu-jitsu. 'Nuff said.

.................ok i'll agree with you being in good condition does help....but if i go to a jujustu class i want to learn jujustu, not do pushups for half an hour.........the more time spend on accual material, the faster you learn, the faster you learn the faster you will become a better fighter.

have you seen a systema practice or taken part in one? doesn't sound like you have. Jujustu is not Systema....OR a ring sport.