Weeping Style Juijitsu

[Smith Adams]

Has any of you guys trained in Weeping Style Via Danny dring OR Burl Parsons ? Just curios I trained in it a little and not a lot of people are aware of the style. It is centered around alot of wrist locks etc... Just curios if you are familar how you think it stands up against other styles? A lot of the Juijitsu guys I havetalked to never heard of it.

[ryanhall]

Wrist locks? How does it stand up? Probably not well.

[Smith Adams]

I think that the wrist locks are great tools to learn. The weeping Juijitsu starts with 8 basic wrist locks and applies them in a many number of situations. I am taken juijitsu (japanse and a little BJJ now) and discussed this with my current instructor. It is not something that I could do on some of the upper level belts but I have begun to look for the applications of them while rolling. I have been able to tap people out on many occasions using them. But those peolp are usually around my level. The wrist locks in the Japanese Juijitsu are similar but applied differently. Has anyone else trained in Weeping? What did you think?

[edro]

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[Roland]

...but why is it called Weeping style?

[crazyjoe380]

I've made alot of people weep when i beat that ass.. so i guess i know weeping jiu jitsu.

[Toudiyama]

Darn how many ways to writslock are there, always assumed it was 2 outside and inside, rest just variation to that

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by edro
wrist locks will always work on unsuspecting people, or on those with lower pain-thresholds, but any style that relies on them as a strong part of grappling is lacking. They simply aren't enough against skilled opponents. Show me how many times someone's won a major grappling competition with a wrist lock. However biased I am against traditional jujitsu styles, there will always be a place for every style...even aikido. (hehe) And that's what the argument will always come to.

Well daid edro, I agree with all but the last part.

A place for akido ???

Yes in the infant girl section !

If a person wants a black-belt without having to go through the hardships of realistic self-defence, then thats one of the things he'll do.......
Akido
Karate
ETC......

many people are simply not cut out to endure the hardship of aggressive combat.

But these people will never aldmit it,
they simply do the unrealistic/less challenging styles,
and claim they are great !!!!!!

[Smith Adams]

The reason it is called weeping because in a sense you make your opponent weep. When yoou catch your opponent you apply the lock to the point of tapping- the experienced uke will roll out where you would maintain the hold and flow into another alternate lock the locks are very painfull- htey train to strengthn their wrist and develop pain tolerances. All the classes we instructed in this started out with 20 or so students within 3 weeks it was only my instructor and I throwing each other around........

people dont want to pay to feel the pain .....

after training in this I checked out some aikido schools alot of what i saw was very similar. Danny dring teaches this art along with others he could give you a better definition.

Personnaly I learned the locks and did not really see the point in doing all the flows. In a real situation if I some how happened to gain control of an opponents wrist i wouldnot tap him I would snap him.

Again I probably would not have the mastery to be able to pull of one of these wrist locks on an experienced fighter. I mainly use the to control unruly middle school students.

[crazyjoe380]

be a real uke .. feel the pain.

[Tom Yum]

These techniques are only useful when your opponent has made a commitment to grab you or has you in a hold.

1) For example, when wrestlers square off and are hand to hand, you could pull off a thumb/finger lock as a distraction to get your takedown. But in no means is this going to submit/stop a physically fit wrestler. He will quickly notice that his thumb and or fingers are being bended the wrong way and if you don't take advantage of that milisecond to strike/takedown, he will scoop you up, drive you into the mat and hand your ass to you in a silver platter!!

2) When you are in someones hold or grip, you have to think about the physics or his/her hold. To use a W/F/T lock you need to go with the flow. If you are standing, you move away from possible strikes while using your body momentum/leverage against his strength (if he is a bob sapp type, this won't work -but should against stronger partners). If on the ground, push him where he is pulling, and pull him where he is pushing and these techniques will open up for you.