Tools

[Cain]

what tools do one really need?

for standup:
do you need more than
*roundhouse(varioatons)
*variants of straight punches and hooks, uppercuts
*elbows
*knees

for ground:
*takedowns
*armlocks
*chokes
*leglocks

that is a bit rough.. and ofcourse you need a defence.. but what do you really need to become a good fighter...?

[Tom Yum]

Experience.

I've been doing MT/Boxing for about a year and a half now. Its less time than most of the guys that post here; I try to put my knowledge to use in gym fights, sparring sessions and try to get the watchfull eye of a coach.

You're allways learning and when you think you've got it for a while you have to humble yourself and learn something new.

[DRLashambe]

Cain:

I think your list is great. The would only add one sort of category to it, however. I think you also need to learn proper "control" positions for Grappling and the escapes from those controls.

[Szczepankiewicz]

A spell checker would go a long way.....

[Szczepankiewicz]

Seriously,

You need to be able to
Communicate
Transportate (sic)
Strike
and Grapple


90 to 95% of your self preservation should be in communicaiton and transportation

If you get into striking and grappling you messed up somehwere.

[ryanhall]

For MMA or for SD?

For MMA, you need very strong grappling skills, solid boxing skills, a knowledge of kicking. A lot of MMA fighters I run into don't really work striking from the clinch much, and I believe that's it can put you over the top.

I don't use that many tools (less is more) or more importantly, too many kinds of body motions. Here they are:

Hands/Arms:
elbows (vert, horiz, diag)
lead/rear straight (palms and fists)
lead/rear hook/shovel hook
hammerfist
power slap/cupped hand
axe hand
chinjab (open hand uppercut)
face smash
finger jab
web hand

Legs/Feet:
teep/push kick
oblique kick (inside edge of boot)
vertical kick to groin
low side kick

Clinch:
headbutt
knee
elbow
neck crank

Chokes:
rear naked
forearm

Ground:
BJJ positions
a few submissions
power strikes
nuclear tactics (crushing, gouging, biting)
ground movement

Defense:
slip
jam
parry
footwork

It's looks like more than it is. There's only about ten different body mechanics in there. A hook is an elbow, a cross is a palm heel or a web hand, etc. Out of these, I practice about 7 all the time. Everything else is there, but I try to keep the options down to a pretty low level.

Most of it's conceptual or positional. Proper body mechanics are proper body mechanics whether you hit with the fist, palm, or elbow. For SD, you need basic physical skills that are drilled constantly, a knowledge of weapons (use/defense), an understanding of cons/set-ups, the right attitude, and an understanding of how to set somebody else up. For MMA, there is a wider technique base on the floor and the techniques are used differently, but the overall skillset is much smaller. Do notice, however, that the best athletes distill their personal style to a very small number of techniques. Out of the main 5 or 6 punches, a boxer chooses one and makes it his knockout shot. Olympic Judo players usually use thier three or four best techniques (out of 60 something options) that work for them all the time. I'm sure it's the same way with BJJ and Muay Thai. More can be nice, but focus on less and you'll be better for it.

[CainWeeHerman]

hello.

[ryanhall]

OK, Joe. I don't really mind the double handle because everybody know's it's you, but don't post on Cain's threads if you don't want him posting on yours. I don't want to have to waste my time deleting posts. Thanks.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Ryan,
Cheers on striking within the clinch. I've been training getting a transition from the MMA clinch to the Thai clinch for quick headbutting and kneeing. Seems to work well when the guy is trying to fight you off in the clinch, and you break into the thai clinch and land some headbutts, and a knee. Like the blast occasionally to get into close quarter range, but from sparring it often I've found out the blast doesn't always get you there that well. So being able to just smother and clinch is another way.

Hey, I sent away for Sammy's Control and Conquer package. Haven't been disappointed with his material yet.

Take care,
Ryu

[crazyjoe380]

Ryan..


I dont know what you are talking about. the double log.. (ip addy)

but i dont mind cain posting in my posts.. all i'm saying is he talks alot of shit and he is up in my posts..

i'm sure that cainweeherman guy is just returning the favor.. plus that's his twin brother.. he's family.. he can post here


BUT ...no i don't mind him in the post.. it just makes it interesting..

dont delete the freedoms of posting..

[ryanhall]

Ryu,
I haven't seen the C&C tapes yet. Let me know what you think when you get them.

Like the blast occasionally to get into close quarter range, but from sparring it often I've found out the blast doesn't always get you there that well. So being able to just smother and clinch is another way.

I never had that much trouble entering clinch range against most people (never actually sparred a sport only MMA fighter though, just Judo, boxing, wrestling, trad, BJJ, and CFA guys). I honestly never use the blast--never really learned it. It was something I always wanted to pick up on though. I usually have a lot of luck entering off a hook or haymaker. Smothering a puncher usually isn't that hard if you keep the guard up. Anything in particular about the clinch that you notice when sparring MMA guys?

Joe,
I'm not deleting anything. Unless somebody crosses me...

[crazyjoe380]

[Ryu (JKD?)]

LMAO!! Now that is real comedy!

Ryan, yeah I'll let you know. I'm pretty decent with clinchin too. Nothing real different clinching MMA types except a lot of them are wise to the clinch, and it's just not as easy as it is against most other guys. Clinching wrestlers is not smart unless you have the skills to stay on your feet.
But I've clinched boxers, BJJ guys, Thai boxers, streetfighters, kung fu men, JKDers, etc. You're correct. Smothering is not that hard if you know what you're doing...in fact I'd say it's a safer entry than the blast..

The blast is worth learning. It DOES work on most people pretty well. The thing about the blast is that you've got to time it correctly, and have some decent power behind it. Its not the invincible technique some JKDers think it is.. but what is, right?


Take care,
Ryu

[CHOKE UK]

A bad workman always blame his "TOOLS" !!!!!

You can have all the tools in the world,
but if you dont know how to apply them,
they are worthless.
A carpenter with one old chisel will still do a job.
But a unskilled person with a whole deluxe set of them will be no good.
The expertise is learning,
the neccessary skills to be able to use them,
not how many you may have.

Quality not quantity.

At least thats what I say to the wife,
in bed at night !!!!

[DRLashambe]

Ryan (or anybody who has ideas):

My biggest issue is getting past guys with good trapping skills. My throws and takedowns are strong, but guys who can trap maintain a constant distance, never letting me get close enough to use my takedowns. When fighting other kinds of fighters, I have no problem. If I can get to grappling range, I usually have superior skills to stand up fighters, but (especially Kenpo/Arnis fighters) are my Achilles heel.