Pressure points and deadly strikes

[ryanhall]

Kingston,
You stole my post. I was just about to say what you said.

You can't always ask an easy question without getting every ego jumping around

What ego? I make a valid point and Azz can't deal with like an adult.

Do you think you're cool talking to me like you know shit over the internet?

Compared to you, I do 'know shit.' Your metamorphasis from complete novice to knowledgable martial artist astounds me. If only it weren't in your head alone.

And yeah, I might be young, but I've been in enough fights and seen enough skulls cracked open to know what I'm talking about.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take your word on it. Two words: Combat TKD. You were preaching it not long ago.

Systema has really changed my mind of martial arts, and my instructor Vlad has really convinced me (in very few classes).

You've been there a week.

So much so that I would bet he would absolutley destroy you in a fight, no matter how skilled you are

Ah, the good 'ol appeal to higher authority. Vlad can take me no matter how skilled I am? Seeing as he's been at this quite a while longer than I have, I won't bet against him. But can he beat Superman? I kicked his ass last week for hitting on my girlfriend. If Vlad fights him first, then we'll have a go.

Did I say that being poked with a thumb would be the blow that ends a fight? Balance is everything in a fight. If two people are standing infront of each other, in a slug fest, it's anyones fight, no matter how skilled one of them is. Once you throw your oponest off balance, there are a million possibilities that you could do, and small things like pressure points can do the trick...

Thumb blow... You have to throw the other guy's balance first. It's not always as easy as you might think. But then again, you first hand knowledge and research probably blows mine right out of the water, so who am I to argue with you? Small things like pressure points won't do the trick on a real adversary. How does taking someone's balance turn them into a wuss that falls with the touch of a thumb?

even if pressure points DO exist it IS probably difficult to use them in a self-defence situation due to adrenaline and the chaotic nature of most fights.

That's why they don't work. Try applying them at 2 in the morning outside a bar on someone larger and more aggressive than you are. Oh yeah, and he has the element of surprise. Good luck... Did you even stop to consider that a lot of people wear heavy clothing that could negate these pressure points if in fact you did touch them?

I blame alot of this on Star Trek. Everyone wants to believe in the Vulcan death grip.

[Kingston]

come on now ryan, combat TKD.....thats a cheap shot

lol but seriously, vlad you beat you if you had a knife, and he only used his legs to stop you, dissarm you, and mangle your body till your insides where the concistancy of Russian vodka!

lol, when most people join system (expecialy young kids like Azzazzin and myself) its close to imposible for you not to think your a master after 1 class.

im two years older(and therefore wiser)....it didn't hit me quite as hard

if you took Systema at 16 with karate as a background.....you'd be running in the streets screaming its name.

Azzazzin aint doing nothing every other single person who ever did Systema in the history of the world hasn't done....lol ok maybe im exagerating.....slightly.....go easy on him. he's only about 12 months away from having more credibility then any karate on TKD black belt.....this time im not exagerating! (but then again my 90 year old grandma has more credibility then most Karate or TKD BB's!) I kid I kid Karate and TKD are great......for me to poop on!

[Lizard]

I must admit after my first Muay Thai lesson I felt like a master. Ha Im a Thai boxer, I would think to myself. If a champion kickboxer attacks me I'll just show him a few Thai low kicks and perhaps a few elbows and knees ha. No-one can stop me now... MUAY THAI!!!

[platinum_angel]

my favorite line was

1. They can't sue the department when they get the shit kicked out of them, as they have been "trained" and

wait this sentence doesn't even make sense....... never mind.

so when did you turn into a comedian ryan.

[ryanhall]

Platinum Angel,
That comment does make sense. It means that cops get 'less-than-lethal' SD stuff (almost always crap). They call it that because it's good in court: if the officer wins, he used his 'ltl' stuff. If he dies, it was because he didn't apply his 'training' properly, not because that training was poor. A lot of departments don't like their officers training outside the curriculum.

Kingston,
I'm not knocking Vlad. Just so you know. I'm thinking more and more about attending one of those seminars of his. But me (or some other sneaky guy) with a knife...I don't give him (or me or any other person in the world) great odds. Knife attacks do not start out like a knife v empty hands duel. They are usually surprises that happen up close, personal, quickly, violently, and 'bloodily'--new word. Up his odds if he sees it, has room to move, and he's feeling very lucky and skillful that day.

[platinum_angel]

That comment does make sense. It means that cops get 'less-than-lethal' SD stuff (almost always crap). They call it that because it's good in court: if the officer wins, he used his 'ltl' stuff. If he dies, it was because he didn't apply his 'training' properly, not because that training was poor. A lot of departments don't like their officers training outside the curriculum

They can't sue the department when they get the shit kicked out of them, as they have been "trained" and

this must be way over my head because i don't get it.

[Azzazzin]

I wasn't preaching combat TKD, I was just saying that it was good. Considering it was the only MA I had ever done, I was much more ignorant to any other MA, and it was the only thing I COULD "preach" about...

And yes, Vlad would beat your ass. But don't forget you were the one that started with the "I would beat you with your own arm" comment.

I'm not affraid of death. I'm not affraid of pain. I know that if someone did something to me, they would get it back 100x worse.

I want to learn how to fight, but not to kill someone. I want to learn good self defence, like Systema teaches, so I don't have to hurt the guy I'm fighting to make him know he can't F with me. Believe me, i've been in enough fights that ended with a brass in my right hand, and the other guy with a bloddy rib cage. I'm not proud of that, but that's the way we roll here in Toronto. I'm trying to change that though, so why don't you stop being an ass, and if you have helpfull answers to questions, then answer them. If not, don't post in my treads.

[ryanhall]

you were the one that started with the "I would beat you with your own arm" comment.

You need to learn how to understand humor in the written word.

And yes, Vlad would beat your ass

Frankly, I don't care what Vlad can do to me. You need to detach yourself from his nuts.

I'm not affraid of death. I'm not affraid of pain. I know that if someone did something to me, they would get it back 100x worse.

"I'm tough too, guys! Hey, over here! I'm tough, see!" That's really what you sound like. Just because you learn some system of self defense (as good as it may be) does not by any means make you the baddest dude out there. You need a reality check. 100x worse...

I want to learn how to fight, but not to kill someone. I want to learn good self defence, like Systema teaches, so I don't have to hurt the guy I'm fighting to make him know he can't F with me

See my response to your last quote.

Believe me, i've been in enough fights that ended with a brass in my right hand, and the other guy with a bloddy rib cage. I'm not proud of that, but that's the way we roll here in Toronto

So you go around hitting people (probably other really tough 16 year old kids) with knuckle dusters. That makes you both tough and an authority on self-defense in what way?

why don't you stop being an ass, and if you have helpfull answers to questions, then answer them

If you post intelligent questions, I'll give intelligent answers (if I have them).

[platinum_angel]

lol give him a break ryan

[ryanhall]

Do I have to? Nah.

Platinum,
About the cop training thing:

Departments don't want their officers hurting suspects/citizens accidentally or on purpose. Just look at the terminology that they use. Police officers 'shoot to stop' the bad guy (even when he's shooting back). FBI agents 'shoot to kill.' A lot can be learned about an organization by the way it describes what it does. The majority of what police officers are taught is wrist locking and simple control--the kind of stuff that's EXTREMELY hard to use on anybody with a little mind to resist. Chokes (the best restraint) are not allowed due to the risk factor. Departments don't want to have suits filed against them, and they feel that teaching their officers watered down defensive tactics is a safe way to do that. If their officers are taught to 'control' a suspect, the martially uneducated judge/jury won't be all over them, taking their budget money and giving it to the bad guy. A lot of cops swear by Aikido. Why does it work for them but not for us? Simple. Most suspects aren't interested in lengthening their sentence and adding a felony by striking an officer. They chill and try not to incur any more of the police's anger. Because of this, an officer (unlike civies) can lay his hands on another individual without getting a sore face. I hope that explained things better.

[Azzazzin]

Did I say I would deal with you myself 100x worse?

No I'm not that stupid. I have enough people. I'm not saying I'm tough. If someone wants to bring beef to me, he'll get dealt with. Otherwise I have nothing against anyone.

And if you don't believe me (which I could not care a less), and if you're ever in Toronto, come to Jai Bar. Just drop a post and let me know.

[kengar]

Originally posted by Azzazzin
No I'm not that stupid. I have enough people. I'm not saying I'm tough. If someone wants to bring beef to me, he'll get dealt with. Otherwise I have nothing against anyone.

And if you don't believe me (which I could not care a less), and if you're ever in Toronto, come to Jai Bar. Just drop a post and let me know.

Damn dude, I was going to try to be on your side until you pulled this school yard crap. There's no need to challenge someone over the internet, and God forbid if he lived next to you he might beat you with your own arm.
And I'll have to disagree with you comment about not wanting to hurt the person that is trying to kick the crap out of you. IMHO self defense & 'not wanting to hurt someone' do not go into the same sentence. Can you defend yourself without hurting the other person? Yes. Is it likely? No. Being attacked is alot different from just fighting with your buddies in many ways and you will most likely have to hurt that person to stop the threat.

kingston
also kengar....when you said "obviously it wasn't done correctly" i dont think that was true, it probaly was. Just bri had already made up his mind not to "tap" i have a friends who never taps (just screams like hell) 90% of the population would tap.....

That is a valid agruement. I'll try to pressure test that from a headlock as he stated.

[DRLashambe]

Ryan:

Azzazzin's attitude will change soon, I'm sure. I know a lot of people in his gym, and if he continues with his macho posturing, he'll be sure to earn a very difficult lesson.

Azzazzin:

Learn some respect. There is a fairly well known rumor about Vlad beating a UFC champion. As I understand it, Vlad refuses to talk about it. Ask yourself why: life isn't a kung fu movie. "My teacher can beat your teacher" doesn't prove anything. From reading his posts, I'm positive that Ryan has a lot more training and skill right now than you do, count yourself lucky that he's above this childishness.

[DRLashambe]

Toudiyama:

Accupressure is extremely controversial, and I'm not sure that best arguement is using it as your anchor. Yes, there are areas where muscles connect, where muscle is stretched thin over bone, or there are a lot of pain receptors. These are great to put pressure on when you're grappling, when you're removing a drunk from a bar, or to hit in a fight. Applying them is difficult, and requires you to be much faster or stronger than your opponent. In the "fight or flight" response to pain, if you're limiting someone's ability to run away, their next reaction to that pain is to attack you.

It would be so wonderful if there was some magic secret that would make me deadly, but sadly it's mostly hard work. There's a ton of anecdotal evidence of Martial Arts "magic," but sadly next to none of it stands up to real scientific testing.