Putting training to practice

[Turing]

One thing I've noticed when I spar, and when I talk to some of my friends who box untrained, is that its nothing like you expect or envision. Now I am reading about it and learning as much as possible, so that gives me an advantage. But I think it will take time for the knowledge to matter. Because when I sparred with my neighbors recently I threw a bunch of right hooks. And I was just like what am I doing? Its just instinctual. What I want to know is how do you, or how long does it take, before you started to do what you learned when you actually fought, rather then to fall back on instinct?

[Tom Yum]

it takes focus and practice. Sounds like you were getting frustrated. Getting used to contact takes training and time.

if you had a coach, he could teach you sparring/defense drills and you would slowly used to getting hit. For example, if you are pawing your jab back, instead of lightly and quickly retracting, he might tag you with a quick jab of his own to show you that you're creating an opening with lazy technique.

IMHO I'd rather get tagged by my coach and learn quickly, rather than eat a right cross from another fighter because I was pawing my jab. I hate getting knocked down, but it happens

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Now I'm a bit confused, I see box and hook so I take it it was a legal technique, if so why was it instinct andd not insight, if you saw an opening and imidiately reacted to it, is that instinct?

I wouldn't describe a hook as instinctive movement to begin with

I think you shouldn't suppres the instinct, instead you should change the reaction
It is't bad to block or dodge instinctively but it's nice to do a proper block or dodge ( auch, dodging into a knee)

[mushinmaster]

how long?? don't know. one day it just happens - you see it coming and you react - perfectly. then i usually get clobbered the next second you just gotta keep training...

are you looking for methods of retraining your natural tendancies??

[Turing]

The point was I'm an orthodox boxer, not a southpaw. And the punch I threw most was a right hook. That exposes you a lot . I barely ever jabbed. The right hook is the punch someone untrained will feel like they will get the most power with. That's what I meant by instinctual, using a bad technique, that to someone untrained feels most powerful. Retraining my natural instincts or training me to be calm so I can think straight and use my knowledge and training in a fight, not my silly instincts.

[mushinmaster]

tape your right arm to your body
box for like a week with only jabs and straight leads
that should do the job with a regular program - just go through all the normal stuff with only your left arm.

the required boxing program at west point does a good job with this - the only authorized punch for the first half of the class is the jab. the first fight evaluation is with the jab only. it teaches you to use your right when the time is right...

i also got the extra practice of only being authorized the jab while my sparring partners could use the cross, hook, and uppercut - it taught me how to use the jab effectivly for offensive defense.

calmness comes with experience...take deep breathes, you're not gonna die, it's just a match have fun.

oh and..thinking during a fight=bad
that's why you got a trainor

[ryta1203]

What are you talking about man? You certainly might DIE, unless you are just fighting in a ring, but then, why fight at all? And don't think if you want to, I just hope you don't see something you haven't seen before.

[Lost Ronin]

You have to make a conscious effort to train all of your tools and not your personal favorites. We all like to use the stuff that we feel more comfortable with, but that is not always the best thing to do. I suggest that you look into some Boxing videos that'll give you combinations to play with, if not, talk to your training partners or ask the guys at this forum. Then, before every sparring session, decided what tools you are gonna focus on, during that session, focus on all the details of that, your footwork, countering with those combos, feinting and then attacking with them. Just focus and RELAX! That's what sparring is all about, it's about playing with new tools and trying to figure them out with the aid of your partners, good luck man.

[ceasarx]

I dont know how long it takes and I dont thing there is a way of knowing wether it is instinctual until you are forced to use what you know

[mushinmaster]

Originally posted by ryta1203
What are you talking about man? You certainly might DIE, unless you are just fighting in a ring, but then, why fight at all? And don't think if you want to, I just hope you don't see something you haven't seen before.

what am i talking about - mushin

die in a sparring match?? don't know where you train buddy

[ryta1203]

Did you read the rest of the post there "killer"? If you are fighting in a ring, you aren't really fighting at all.

[mushinmaster]

ohhhhh ok
so what do you propose
what a clever pun, you stud

[Lizard]

"Did you read the rest of the post there "killer"? If you are fighting in a ring, you aren't really fighting at all."

ah ryta, thou wouldst quarrel with a man for eating nuts merely because thou hast hazel eyes.

[darrianation]

Do partner drills. Start of slow and with a coopertive partner watch what is going and as you get better go faster and have your partner cooperate less and less until he is trying to get you. You can train several techniques like this and improve timeing and reaction.

Also when you spar work on a certain aspects Like round one just punches 2) just kicks 3) mix up. Work on things you want to improve,decide before you spar.

Also drills on fucus mitts are good, But remember nothing takes the place of sparring. The more you spar the better you'll get. It comes with time.

[mushinmaster]

darrianation: ever heard of the dog brothers creedo - higher consciousness through harder contact??

jest wondering
it's a lil' snazzier