Qi gong

[Paul Wilson]

Qi Gong

Qi gong is a slow internal practice where the breath and movement are coordinated together to develop and store the qi. The qi is a special energy in the body that cannot be seen or measured which can only be experienced and developed through continuous practice. The qi is said to be mainly stored in the abdomen below the navel in the area called the Dantien (literally Field of Elixir). Qi is cultivated through deep breathing and movement combined with strong mental focus. In practicing qi gong the qi follows the mind with the movement to develop stronger qi and internal power. After the qi has been developed it can be used for different purposes such as the practice of gong fu. The power of the qi needs to be developed in the same way that you need water in a pipe to be kept under pressure to enable it to flow easily. The practice benefits the health of the body as the qi is improved it keeps the internal organs strong and helps remove toxins.

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[Thai Bri]

And if you say four hail Mary's and never kiss a girl without your mothers permission, you will get a bike for Christmas.

[Tom Yum]

Qi is a good excercise - supposed to improve your circulation & breathing etc. Old folks who practice qi gong can lower their blood pressure and improve their general health.

But qi isn't a recognized method of combat. Some folks claim that qi can stop an attacker without touching him, but it has yet to be proven.

[Lizard]

"It's like a finger pointing to the moon. Look at the moon my child"
Kid looks at sky
"DON'T LOOK AT THE MOON YOU LITTLE ******* DIE DIE!!! Now kick me"
Kid kicks him
"STOP KICKING ME, I'LL KUNG FU YOU NOW!!!"

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Tom Yum
Qi is a good excercise - supposed to improve your circulation & breathing etc. Old folks who practice qi gong can lower their blood pressure and improve their general health.

But qi isn't a recognized method of combat. Some folks claim that qi can stop an attacker without touching him, but it has yet to be proven.

Practicing breathing exercises is good and all, but lets accept it for what it is. Meditating induces favorable brain chemistry, which induces favorable physiological chemistry. The movements are probably good for muscle tone as well (ala Pilates and Yoga)--slow resistance.

Of course it will never be proven that you can stop someone without touching them using your qi. If you're, oh, 6'5" and 280 lbs of solid muscle, that might stop most people before they want to mess with you. Then again, that's sheer physics in your face--that much mass will kick your ass.

It should stand to reason that something that cannot be measured does not actually exist. So its not part of the electromagnetic spectrum. It is neither particle, nor wave. It isn't dark matter. Its probably not operating in a higher dimension since those supposedly disappeared early on in the formation of the universe. I doubt qi is temporarily displaced from the actual body in inhabits (such that it could never be measure because it exists in a different time...). If it exerts a force on other objects in this universe than it can be measured. Since it can't be measured, it does not exert force on any objects in the universe, and hence, does not exist.

Yeah, we can get all Taoist about it...the force that can be measured is not the true force. I'm sure Lao Tzu said something like that. He probably meant imagination is the true force (e.g. it makes everything else possible). But, there is no qi, chi, ki, Jedi force, the dark side, or psychic powers. But keep meditating and release those endorphins (or you could train harder and get the same effect).

[Lizard]

What, you mean all my Jedi training has been for nothing?

[Tom Yum]

I don't know if Lao Tzu said much about qi (chee).

Yeah, a linebacker sized person would least likely be a target of random violence or assualt. anyone in their right mind would think twice about messing with that kind of person. Then again at a club in SW Houston, an NFL guy and his brother got sliced from a much smaller latino guy who thought he was getting picked on.

Its crazy out there.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Lizard
What, you mean all my Jedi training has been for nothing?

Well that light saber may still come in handy.

[Paul Wilson]

Originally posted by Tom Yum
Qi is a good excercise - supposed to improve your circulation & breathing etc. Old folks who practice qi gong can lower their blood pressure and improve their general health.

But qi isn't a recognized method of combat. Some folks claim that qi can stop an attacker without touching him, but it has yet to be proven.

BY practicing Qi gong like the Shaolin monks do they can take a spear attack.

Cool right?

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by Paul Wilson


BY practicing Qi gong like the Shaolin monks do they can take a spear attack.

Cool right?

I guess??? I have no clue, except shao lin is a buddhist monastery renouned for its martial art practices. I've never seen a shaolin monk fight for real, but have seen their demos on tv before.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Paul Wilson


BY practicing Qi gong like the Shaolin monks do they can take a spear attack.

Cool right?

Ummm, no. Unless, of course, you mean that if someone attacks them with a spear they can get a spear point in the gut like any other human being. If you attack a real human being with a real spear, the point of the spear will pierce their human flesh. What part of reality don't you understand??

You cannot zap someone from a distance with a force that does not exist, nor can you use a force that does not exist to repel very real attacks with pointy metal weapons.

I mean yeah people do all sorts of ridiculous demos where people stick them with spear points and hit them with swords and whatnot and apparently they don't get hurt. But magicians do this sort of thing all the time. They're just stage tricks. Think about it for a nanosecond. If someone could take a spear point in the gut without any harm, it stands to reason they could take the punch of a heavyweight boxer without harm. So they could let Lennox Lewis hit them with everything he's got, then zap him unconscious with qi. Then they are millions of dollars richer. People could rob banks and deflect the bullets of the police. Now, so far as I'm aware, we're not living in the matrix. Therefore, such feats are not possible.

[mr. bond]

qi gong's got something to it. i personally was introduced briefly to it by a very well respected western doctor who practised qi gong as well. sure, a lot of the effects may be psychological, but who cares? if this tiny doctor can take my non-believer friend who works out all the time and temporarily diminish his strength, psychological or not, it worked. plus, this guy just was an extremely happy and calm person, who had a positive effect on everybody around him.

my best friend also recently got interested in studying qi/chi. now she can constantly tell if i'm lying, how i'm feeling, if i'm turned on or not, or if i'm really upset, she can tell from across town. it freaks me out!

i dunno if it's got a place in the MA (i've never seen it used), but i think it has it's place in medicine.

[Tom Yum]

I agree. I think qi gong has its place in medicine and should be studied further.

Accupuncture has been practiced for thousands of years and is just now being utilized in modern Hospitals (allthough still not widely practiced) Some kid underwent surgery while remaining conscious, with accupuncture as the sole anesthetic. I think they showed it on Ripley's Believe it or Not with footage from the surgery - weird, huh.

[Disciple]

Certification courses are available in accupuncture for doctors in many major US medical centers such as UCLA. Accupuncture is works, but there is a scientific mechanism behind it.

[tkdkid]

ok...this is just me and for me. Ki Qi or chi..why would there be so many anceiont documents and ppl who practiced it if it was fake...I mean think about it. If you think what's real is only what youc an see...thenthere's no air either. Ki is a lifeforce and a energy in our body and yes, dan tien is where it mainlt flows through. I can feel ki, and I can put it into my punches. It directs my punch better and I do feel it makes my punch faster and more accurate. It's probably the only reason why I practice qui gong. I mean as long as it helps you, why get all fuss about it's existance....for me I know it exists because it has helped with my trainings. It's same as God god religion...different for each ppl. Modern science still has a long way to go. Western science is more familiar with what's visible...the body. And the eastern science is very familiar with blood and ki flow of the body( ie accupunture, accupressure etc). Science in all has along way to go. Ki is same as free energy concept for anyone who's familiar with the subject free energy. I don;t mind the bashing at me expressing what I truly think it true cause ki helped me and i will continue to practice qui gong. Just sincerely give it a try, then diss it all you want. Also ki doesnt only have to be used in medical science...I think you can manipulate the energy to use as what youw ant to use it as. Just my opinion. peace