aikido and steven seagal

[ewod]

Originally posted by falcon3624


Ewod,

Do you do Aikido? I used to.......I have a black belt in Aikido........I won't lie there are alot of things that are not covered in Aikido. It is something good to learn because it teaches you alot about balance and how to take someones balance away from them, but there is just too much that is not covered. I don't think that Seagal is the best example of Aikido out there anyway......I have seen better.

did you like aikido very much falcon? I heard it takes a long time to master, so that should tell people something...

[falcon3624]

Basically what I am saying is that Aikido is a good base art. I don't think that it should be done by itself but done in conjunction with other arts. I always took shorin-ryu while I was taking Aikido.

Now I take BJJ and MT. I feel they are much more effective combined then Aikido hands down.

[ewod]

Is Steven Seagal the Baddest Dude of All? Not to This Ex-Champion
by Bill Wallace



Seven members of Bob Wall's "Dirty Dozen" send a message to their nemesis, actor and aikido stylist Steven Seagal. They are (from left to right): Bob Wall, Bill Wallace, Allen Steen, Jim Harrison, Roger Carpenter, Blinky Rodriguez and Howard Jackson.

A lot of people have asked me why I'm involved with Bob Wall's "Dirty Dozen." When I was in Zimbabwe last year, Bob called me and asked me if I would be one of a dozen fighters he was putting together in response to a challenge that (actor and aikido styl ist) Steven Seagal made. It's not that I want to go out and fight Seagal. I don't challenge people. I never have. But if Seagal claims that he can beat anybody in the world, and that he's the best in the world, well, I'm standing in line to prove him wron g.
Steven Seagal says he can beat any martial artist, any time. Well, I don't think so, because aikido is basically a defensive sport. He's got to grab my arm or grab my leg. I've fought a lot of guys, and I think it's kind of hard to grab my arm or leg, esp ecially when I'm trying to take your face off.
I agree with all of the other 11 of the dozen (Benny Urquidez, Bob Wall, Howard Jackson, Blinky Rodriguez, Roger Carpenter, Allen Steen, Pat Burleson, Jim Harrison, Dennis Alexio, Richard Norton, and Billy Robertson) in this way: You can say anything you want about yourself, but if you claim you can beat me, then you're going to have to do it. There's at least 12 of us who don't think Seagal can beat us. He says he can, but now he has to do it.
The reason why we're doing this is because people believe what they see in the movies. There are people who believe that if Steven Seagal can beat up 15 people on film, then he can beat up any 15 people in the world. When I worked with Chuck Norris on A F orce of One, I died at the end of the film. The first seminar I taught after the film was released, I had all these people staring at me. "What's wrong?" I asked. "We saw Chuck Norris kill you," they told me. They actually believed that even if he didn't really kill me in the film, that I should have been hurt very badly. It looked like he broke my neck in the film, it sounded like he broke my neck, so they wondered why he hadn't broken my neck.
It's the same with Jean-Claude Van Damme when he does all his kicks in his movies. People believe that he can kick anybody in the world, and that he can block everything that comes his way. It's a fantasy, but people want to believe it's true. What Bob Wa ll and the rest of us are trying to show its that the fantasy aspect is great, but don't let it go to your head.
There's always someone out there who can whip you. Seagal, however, doesn't believe that there is anyone who can whip him. But you take the great champions-Benny Urquidez, Howard Jackson, Joe Lewis and myself-we all won, but there's somebody out there who can beat us. We're not the baddest dudes in the world-and we train all the time. Steven Seagal doesn't go to the gym and do 15 rounds every day, and then spar six or seven guys.
Nothing's going to come of it. Seagal has everything to lose and absolutely nothing to gain by fighting us. If he does fight us all and beat us, everybody knew he could do it anyway because he said he could. But what happens if he does fight one of us and loses? Then his credibility is gone and nobody will go to his movies.
Most of us don't have any hard feelings toward Seagal-except for Bob Wall. I don't know why Bob is so vindictive about this. For the other 11 of us, it goes in one ear and out the other. It doesn't really mean anything in the long run, because Seagal will never fight us. Maybe it's a way to take our frustrations out on somebody.
Some people say that I and some of the others in the group are in it just for the publicity. The publicity doesn't hurt, of course, but that's not the main reason why I or any of the others joined Bob Wall. Seagal says he can take anyone out. We just want him to prove it.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by ewod


did you like aikido very much falcon? I heard it takes a long time to master, so that should tell people something...

Yea, I liked it, and like I said I think it is a good "base" art but should be done in conjunction with other arts. I don't think anyone with Aikido alone could beat a MMA. I took it for several years before I received my black belt. I started shorin-ryu and had a black belt in about half the time or less that it took me to get my aikido black belt.

[ewod]

Originally posted by falcon3624


Yea, I liked it, and like I said I think it is a good "base" art but should be done in conjunction with other arts. I don't think anyone with Aikido alone could beat a MMA. I took it for several years before I received my black belt. I started shorin-ryu and had a black belt in about half the time or less that it took me to get my aikido black belt.

falcon, just because someone knows a certain martial art, does that automatically mean they will most likely lose against someone who is an expert in bjj? I dont believe that all aikidokas would lose against a bjj expert...I think it depends on the persons skill and not really their martial art...for instance, I strongly believe seagal could take out a lot of experts in tkd...I think it depends on the person and their skill and not necessarily their martial art when it comes to fighting...I dont think its fair to say that a bjj expert would beat up all aikidokas in the ring or wherever because some aikidokas fight differently than others and some may use different techniques against someone they fight...I know aikido doesnt allow competitions, but im just speaking hypothetically...

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by ewod


falcon, just because someone knows a certain martial art, does that automatically mean they will most likely lose against someone who is an expert in bjj? I dont believe that all aikidokas would lose against a bjj expert...I think it depends on the persons skill and not really their martial art...for instance, I strongly believe seagal could take out a lot of experts in tkd...I think it depends on the person and their skill and not necessarily their martial art when it comes to fighting...I dont think its fair to say that a bjj expert would beat up all aikidokas in the ring or wherever because some aikidokas fight differently than others and some may use different techniques against someone they fight...I know aikido doesnt allow competitions, but im just speaking hypothetically...

I think Seagal could beat up most TKD guys, but then again I think I can too........As far as aikido goes I have been there, done that, and got the t-shirt. Now I take BJJ and from my knowledge of Aikido and shorin-ryu I could take no one out on the ground. I could throw a few people but soon as they would get me on the ground I was done for........that is the only reason I decided to stick with it and I am glad I have. I am not saying that all BJJ guys are better than all aikido guys but as far as the art as a whole guys I do think BJJ is better.

[ewod]

Originally posted by falcon3624


I think Seagal could beat up most TKD guys, but then again I think I can too........As far as aikido goes I have been there, done that, and got the t-shirt. Now I take BJJ and from my knowledge of Aikido and shorin-ryu I could take no one out on the ground. I could throw a few people but soon as they would get me on the ground I was done for........that is the only reason I decided to stick with it and I am glad I have. I am not saying that all BJJ guys are better than all aikido guys but as far as the art as a whole guys I do think BJJ is better.

falcon, do you like bjj better than japanese jj? whats the difference between gracies jj and japanese jj? is it only reall effective if youre on the ground? I can see why its a sport tho...

[Great Sage]

Qoute ewod: "i dont think lennox lewis could take seagal..."

This statement after posting the Bill Wallace article?... Yet another contradiction.

Let's see, how many 14 year olds do we have in here that are experts in the MA? We have ewod, or is it supposed to be ewok? Paul Wilson, kleyman and masterofnone... I wish someone would keep these things on a leash.

[Great Sage]

It could be that they're all one and the same... Paul Wilson a.k.a. kleyman, ewod, masterofnone, shaolinmaster, stuntman, gym worker, etc...

[ewod]

Originally posted by Great Sage
Qoute ewod: "i dont think lennox lewis could take seagal..."

This statement after posting the Bill Wallace article?... Yet another contradiction.

Let's see, how many 14 year olds do we have in here that are experts in the MA? We have ewod, or is it supposed to be ewok? Paul Wilson, kleyman and masterofnone... I wish someone would keep these things on a leash.

that was more than 5 guys sir...im not 14, but maybe you should be kept on a leash... I think seagal could take lennox lewis out and thats my opinion...

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Great Sage
It could be that they're all one and the same... Paul Wilson a.k.a. kleyman, ewod, masterofnone, shaolinmaster, stuntman, gym worker, etc...

Good one.......lol......there are a suprising number of 14yrs. olds last couple of days....they must have shut down all the porn sites lol...

O well, to answer your question japanese jj doesn't focus as much on ground work.......there is some but not much. I have never done Japanese but aikido comes from Daito Ryu Aiki Jiu-Jitsu so it is something similar I guess......You can take some of the moves of BJJ and use them from a standing position though. I think a good example is the choke holds, key lock, kimura, etc...I would start these moves standing and then take them to the ground and work them the rest of the way.

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by ewod
Is Steven Seagal the Baddest Dude of All? Not to This Ex-Champion
by Bill Wallace...

That was the 2nd black belt mag I bought ~ Jun 93??

[RobertG]

Originally posted by ewod


that was more than 5 guys sir...im not 14, but maybe you should be kept on a leash... I think seagal could take lennox lewis out and thats my opinion...

I thought Paul had said some of the stupidest things I have ever seen in my life. But the fact that you continue to claim that Steven "the walking whale" Seagal could even stay conscious, much less beat, Lennox Lewis is perhaps the single most absurd proposition ever (next to people who claim they can make balls of ki).

Steven Seagal is motivated by money. I don't think even his adoring fans can argue that point. Steven Seagal could make a lot of money by beating Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and any other heavyweight fighter. He could potentially make a lot more than he does on his crappy films. So, if he could actually beat Lewis, he would because it'd net him $10 million or so for one fight. Not a bad payday. Why does Steven Seagal not want $10 million dollars? Well, he does--its just that there is no way on this planet, or any other planet, that the walking whale can beat the heavyweight champion of the world.

[ewod]

Originally posted by RobertG


I thought Paul had said some of the stupidest things I have ever seen in my life. But the fact that you continue to claim that Steven "the walking whale" Seagal could even stay conscious, much less beat, Lennox Lewis is perhaps the single most absurd proposition ever (next to people who claim they can make balls of ki).

Steven Seagal is motivated by money. I don't think even his adoring fans can argue that point. Steven Seagal could make a lot of money by beating Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and any other heavyweight fighter. He could potentially make a lot more than he does on his crappy films. So, if he could actually beat Lewis, he would because it'd net him $10 million or so for one fight. Not a bad payday. Why does Steven Seagal not want $10 million dollars? Well, he does--its just that there is no way on this planet, or any other planet, that the walking whale can beat the heavyweight champion of the world.

first of all, thats my opinion so why is it stupid? what does seagals weight have to do with anything? and lennox lewis isnt motivated by money? he boxes for a living for god sakes...I dont even think hes that good of a boxer, not like tyson or holyfield anyways...exactly what can lennox do that seagal cant? throwing a few hard punches really isnt all to hard robert...all seagal has to do and block his punches over and over again and give him a karate chop to his throat and hes down for the count...I dont know if he could take lewis now, but in his above the law days without question...

[ewod]

I also think tyson is probably the strongest boxer of all-time and the craziest at that...a lot of martial artists would get killed by tyson, but I do believe there are some that can hold their own, boxer or not...