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**Thai Bri** · 07-25-2003, 02:35 PM

No. Not funny. Try again?

falcon3624 · 07-25-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Thai Bri
No. Not funny. Try again?

You're right.......there are 2 things that are funny around here.

1. The fact that you consider yourself a real martial artist.

2. The idea that you think you could beat me in a fight.

**Thai Bri** · 07-25-2003, 02:42 PM

I have no idea how well you may, or may not, fight. Its you that is being the internet thug. Whilst I dazzle all my fans with my brilliance......

falcon3624 · 07-25-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I have no idea how well you may, or may not, fight. Its you that is being the internet thug. Whilst I dazzle all my fans with my brilliance......

You mispelled it.......fags not fans

**Thai Bri** · 07-25-2003, 08:06 PM

You actually registered on the Wit scale with that one. Stick with me, you're learning.

falcon3624 · 07-25-2003, 08:18 PM

The only thing you have taught me so far is that I should not show my ass because you apparently are very willing and wanting to violate it.

falcon3624 · 07-25-2003, 08:28 PM

If you read back to when this arguement started I was not bragging nor really talking about my service in the military, but trying to make a valid point that in the military hand to hand combat course there are elements of Judo and BJJ. I don't brag about me service in the military although I am proud of it. On the other hand I am the kind of person that does not let some washed up has been wanna be martial artist talk sh#t like he can come over and whip me. I am afraid that you are out trained, out gunned, and all around out matched so just give it up.

Black Swann · 07-25-2003, 09:54 PM

Hi Guys

Sorry to interrupt your love affair but I thought I should break this up before any blood is spilt... no matter how hilarious...

Dim Mak is an exact oriental science as they would have you to believe but there is the western science bit which works a little like this.

All nerves in your body all stem from the brain, yes? Well the meridians that the chinese describe roughly translate as these. Having been on the recieving end of a knockout having 3 stomach meridians pressed in quick succession I know it works....

What happens is that when a destructive cycle is initiated one nerve is activated and a message is sent to the brain, sortly after another and due to the conductive nerve pathways in the body the pain signals reach the brain in a snowball effect... result brain pain overload.

I've done a bit of study into this and thats all I have found out really... okay lads it back to you...........................................

RobertG · 07-25-2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by Black Swann
Hi Guys

Sorry to interrupt your love affair but I thought I should break this up before any blood is spilt... no matter how hilarious...

Dim Mak is an exact oriental science as they would have you to believe but there is the western science bit which works a little like this.

All nerves in your body all stem from the brain, yes? Well the meridians that the chinese describe roughly translate as these. Having been on the recieving end of a knockout having 3 stomach meridians pressed in quick succession I know it works....

What happens is that when a destructive cycle is initiated one nerve is activated and a message is sent to the brain, sortly after another and due to the conductive nerve pathways in the body the pain signals reach the brain in a snowball effect... result brain pain overload.

I've done a bit of study into this and thats all I have found out really... okay lads it back to you...........................................

Ummm, ok, so you mean to tell me that people can hit three very small precise targets in the appropriate order in the middle of a real fight? And even if they could, what is the point? If you were that skilled then you could just bust them on the chin with a nice uppercut and knock them out. Why bother when a one-punch knock-out is easier to get?

Black Swann · 07-26-2003, 10:02 AM

It's kind of like that....

I find the best possible use for it is when grappling when legs and arms are tied up and you have virtual free access to your opponent's body. Pressure point fighting has it's uses close in. For example your opponent has managed to apply an arm bar on you on the floor there is a very sensitive point which when pushed even lightly (just below the Achiles tendon) caused extreme pain, just enough to recouperate.

There are so many uses

But like you said RobertG it has limited use from afar when a "good uppercut" will do. However, should things get out of hand and the life is on the line there is always the single nuckle strike to the xyphoid process or sternum... knockout, extreme pain or even death... nothing to be taken lightly.

Lee

falcon3624 · 07-26-2003, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Black Swann
It's kind of like that....

I find the best possible use for it is when grappling when legs and arms are tied up and you have virtual free access to your opponent's body. Pressure point fighting has it's uses close in. For example your opponent has managed to apply an arm bar on you on the floor there is a very sensitive point which when pushed even lightly (just below the Achiles tendon) caused extreme pain, just enough to recouperate.

There are so many uses

But like you said RobertG it has limited use from afar when a "good uppercut" will do. However, should things get out of hand and the life is on the line there is always the single nuckle strike to the xyphoid process or sternum... knockout, extreme pain or even death... nothing to be taken lightly.

Lee

I don't know what kind of guys you spar or fight with but the guys I roll with are fighters from the NHB and if you grab something on them that causes them pain when they have you in an armbar then you are getting your should pulled out of socket.

Black Swann · 07-26-2003, 03:40 PM

Two questions... have you ever been struck on a pressure point? And Do you know how hard it is to continue fighting when incapacitated by pain. Unfortunately if that isn't the case you may be unable to make informed decisions on the subject.

I'm not being arguementative or anything like that I just would like you to understand that it has it's uses like anything else in the martial artists arsenal.

Unfortunately too may people make judgements on things they don't understand - human nature, i know. Until you begin to research you cannot make an informed decision.

It's true, one thing, should you strike your opponent single nuckle in the sternum or temple they will go down. Also, surprisingly enough, an uppercut also hits on one of the prime heart meridians...

Hope you see my point

RobertG · 07-26-2003, 04:09 PM

Relying on pain isn't the best way to go about fighting. Some people have high pain tolerance--poking them in their nerves is a good way to go about getting them pissed off even more. This is also presuming that you can access these spots in the middle of a heated confrontation. I find that notion highly dubious. A fight is about instinctual response and opportunity. You're not going to have the luxury of a specific single knuckle strike at a specific target. In order to do that, you'd have to practice that technique against resisting opponents over and over again. The thing is, I'm guessing if you continually tried poking people while sparring, you'd get continually knocked upside your head with a simple punch. Yes, there's probably a few people in the world that can pull it off. Chances are, most of us aren't among them. There's also people that can pull off beating people with flashy high, spinning kicks. Most of us aren't them. Genetic freaks always have advantages and can use all sorts of eccentric techniques. For the rest of us, its about simple, sound technique. You have a momentary opening to the head, you throw a right cross to head. Not to temple, not to some tiny nerve on their jaw. You throw that punch as hard, as fast, and with as much conviction as possible and hope it does the job.

I'm also skeptical of the history of this dim mak business. Despite all the great mythology about martial arts, the fact is that until very recently people fought with weapons. The refinement of unarmed arts is really a relatively recent invention. Chinese arts traditionally teach weapons. Southeast asian arts traditionally teach weapons. Japanese arts traditionally had weapons. See a trend? So why would anyone have gone through the effort of finding a sequence of specific nerve strikes to kill someone (which has a very low probability of success in real combat) when they could skewer the person on a blade, crack their skull with a club, or tear flesh off them with a chain/whip type weapon? Its sounds like bogus mysticism sold to the guiliable masses. Don't you remember that great scene in 2001? How did those proto-hominids beat their enemies? They grabbed femurs and beat the crap out of the other apes. They didn't go around trying to press little nerves (just try that with any other ape, you'll likely get your fingers bitten off). The only reason I bring this up is because there doesn't seem to be much incentive for anyone to have bothered to figure this stuff out during the evolution of fighting arts.

**Thai Bri** · 07-26-2003, 05:57 PM

Hey guys? Do you mind not interrupting please? Falcon very very regularly posts about him being ex military......... I know he's pretending to be modest, but just read his posts in this and other threads to see the truth.

Now should we really interrupt a guy who's trying so hard to impress?

Anyway. Of course the body has soime points that are more susceptible to pain than others. But that doesn't mean they are mystical points that can, for example, cause your death sevven years from when they have been touched etc.

Tom Yum · 07-26-2003, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Hey guys? Do you mind not interrupting please? Falcon very very regularly posts about him being ex military......... I know he's pretending to be modest, but just read his posts in this and other threads to see the truth.

Now should we really interrupt a guy who's trying so hard to impress?

Anyway. Of course the body has soime points that are more susceptible to pain than others. But that doesn't mean they are mystical points that can, for example, cause your death sevven years from when they have been touched etc.

I've noticed that too. Why is Falcon trying so hard to impress? He's 6'2" 240 lbs benching 350 +, has a brown belt in judo, black belt in aikido/shorin ryu karate - practices BJJ/MT and is ex-army.
Every other guy on this site probably has a similar background and others are former marines, army rangers, navy seals or SAS and don't even mention it or won't even tell you until you see their pictures - probably has to do with the things they've had to do while serving.

For being such a large and powerfull man Falcon you seem like you've got a chip on your shoulder or something to prove. I know alot of martial artists who are not particularly strong or large but can whipe the floor with alot of other fighters because of skill alone - and these guys are the most generous and warm people you'll ever meet.

I'm not giving you a hard time, but put Jack down and exchange it for a lady friend or somethin. You get more flies with honey than you do with JD. Unless the flies are drinking JD, but then you don't want them.

07-25-2003, 09:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Black Swann Novice Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: England Posts: 11 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Guys Sorry to interrupt your love affair but I thought I should break this up before any blood is spilt... no matter how hilarious... Dim Mak is an exact oriental science as they would have you to believe but there is the western science bit which works a little like this. All nerves in your body all stem from the brain, yes? Well the meridians that the chinese describe roughly translate as these. Having been on the recieving end of a knockout having 3 stomach meridians pressed in quick succession I know it works.... What happens is that when a destructive cycle is initiated one nerve is activated and a message is sent to the brain, sortly after another and due to the conductive nerve pathways in the body the pain signals reach the brain in a snowball effect... result brain pain overload. I've done a bit of study into this and thats all I have found out really... okay lads it back to you........................................... __________________ Walk on right side....safe Walk in left side....safe Walk in middle, sooner or later you get a squish...just like grape

07-26-2003, 10:02 AM	#25 (permalink)
Black Swann Novice Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: England Posts: 11 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's kind of like that.... I find the best possible use for it is when grappling when legs and arms are tied up and you have virtual free access to your opponent's body. Pressure point fighting has it's uses close in. For example your opponent has managed to apply an arm bar on you on the floor there is a very sensitive point which when pushed even lightly (just below the Achiles tendon) caused extreme pain, just enough to recouperate. There are so many uses But like you said RobertG it has limited use from afar when a "good uppercut" will do. However, should things get out of hand and the life is on the line there is always the single nuckle strike to the xyphoid process or sternum... knockout, extreme pain or even death... nothing to be taken lightly. Lee __________________ Walk on right side....safe Walk in left side....safe Walk in middle, sooner or later you get a squish...just like grape

07-26-2003, 03:40 PM	#27 (permalink)
Black Swann Novice Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: England Posts: 11 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Two questions... have you ever been struck on a pressure point? And Do you know how hard it is to continue fighting when incapacitated by pain. Unfortunately if that isn't the case you may be unable to make informed decisions on the subject. I'm not being arguementative or anything like that I just would like you to understand that it has it's uses like anything else in the martial artists arsenal. Unfortunately too may people make judgements on things they don't understand - human nature, i know. Until you begin to research you cannot make an informed decision. It's true, one thing, should you strike your opponent single nuckle in the sternum or temple they will go down. Also, surprisingly enough, an uppercut also hits on one of the prime heart meridians... Hope you see my point __________________ Walk on right side....safe Walk in left side....safe Walk in middle, sooner or later you get a squish...just like grape

07-26-2003, 04:09 PM	#28 (permalink)
RobertG Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Relying on pain isn't the best way to go about fighting. Some people have high pain tolerance--poking them in their nerves is a good way to go about getting them pissed off even more. This is also presuming that you can access these spots in the middle of a heated confrontation. I find that notion highly dubious. A fight is about instinctual response and opportunity. You're not going to have the luxury of a specific single knuckle strike at a specific target. In order to do that, you'd have to practice that technique against resisting opponents over and over again. The thing is, I'm guessing if you continually tried poking people while sparring, you'd get continually knocked upside your head with a simple punch. Yes, there's probably a few people in the world that can pull it off. Chances are, most of us aren't among them. There's also people that can pull off beating people with flashy high, spinning kicks. Most of us aren't them. Genetic freaks always have advantages and can use all sorts of eccentric techniques. For the rest of us, its about simple, sound technique. You have a momentary opening to the head, you throw a right cross to head. Not to temple, not to some tiny nerve on their jaw. You throw that punch as hard, as fast, and with as much conviction as possible and hope it does the job. I'm also skeptical of the history of this dim mak business. Despite all the great mythology about martial arts, the fact is that until very recently people fought with weapons. The refinement of unarmed arts is really a relatively recent invention. Chinese arts traditionally teach weapons. Southeast asian arts traditionally teach weapons. Japanese arts traditionally had weapons. See a trend? So why would anyone have gone through the effort of finding a sequence of specific nerve strikes to kill someone (which has a very low probability of success in real combat) when they could skewer the person on a blade, crack their skull with a club, or tear flesh off them with a chain/whip type weapon? Its sounds like bogus mysticism sold to the guiliable masses. Don't you remember that great scene in 2001? How did those proto-hominids beat their enemies? They grabbed femurs and beat the crap out of the other apes. They didn't go around trying to press little nerves (just try that with any other ape, you'll likely get your fingers bitten off). The only reason I bring this up is because there doesn't seem to be much incentive for anyone to have bothered to figure this stuff out during the evolution of fighting arts. Last edited by RobertG; 07-26-2003 at 06:01 PM.

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07-25-2003, 02:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No. Not funny. Try again?

07-25-2003, 02:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have no idea how well you may, or may not, fight. Its you that is being the internet thug. Whilst I dazzle all my fans with my brilliance......

07-25-2003, 08:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You actually registered on the Wit scale with that one. Stick with me, you're learning.

07-25-2003, 08:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The only thing you have taught me so far is that I should not show my ass because you apparently are very willing and wanting to violate it.

07-25-2003, 08:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you read back to when this arguement started I was not bragging nor really talking about my service in the military, but trying to make a valid point that in the military hand to hand combat course there are elements of Judo and BJJ. I don't brag about me service in the military although I am proud of it. On the other hand I am the kind of person that does not let some washed up has been wanna be martial artist talk sh#t like he can come over and whip me. I am afraid that you are out trained, out gunned, and all around out matched so just give it up.

07-26-2003, 05:57 PM	#29 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey guys? Do you mind not interrupting please? Falcon very very regularly posts about him being ex military......... I know he's pretending to be modest, but just read his posts in this and other threads to see the truth. Now should we really interrupt a guy who's trying so hard to impress? Anyway. Of course the body has soime points that are more susceptible to pain than others. But that doesn't mean they are mystical points that can, for example, cause your death sevven years from when they have been touched etc.

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