Whats the dif between BJJ and just reg Jujutsu?

[Lizard]

Reptiles don't use sarcasm. It doesn't make sense. Foolish human.

[chris davis 200]

Anyway - back to the thread.

The same goes for Aikido; although the history of Daito-Ryu (aikido's predecessor) is a little murky, granting that Aikijutsu dates back to the samurai days, it has the same problem as contemporary JJJ. Aikijutsu would have been used by people who had weapons on them. They would have used aiki-techniques when they had temporarily lost a weapon to buy time to pull a second weapon. So a lot of aikido techniques don't make much sense in the abscence of weapons. Yeah, aikido folk do study swords sometimes. But I've never seen them use small blades in conjuction with their unarmed techniques. Daito-Ryu at least still incorporates more weapons training.

Although daito ryu did include many many weapon techniques it is actually derived from an art called oshikiuchi which was for palace use only. in the Palace there are no weapons allowed so techniques were developed specifically against unarmed assailants. there are many techniques in traditional daito ryu against kicks and punches

Also when in the presence of the shogun al other retainers were not allowed to stand. So techniques from the common kneeling position called siza were adopted this is why you see people walking on their knees in Daito ryu and aikido. although this may not seem like ground fighting in the BJJ sense it was designed against grounded and standing attackers.

Daito ryu as practiced today is the product of sokaku takeda who developed it in the early 20th century. It was developed (under this name) earlier than judo but not much.

Ueshiba Morehei the founder of aikido (basically a variation of Daito Ryu Aiki JuJutsu which he taught for a time) was concidered at the time of Judos development to be Japans TOP martial artist and Jigaro Kano had some of his TOP students train with him, most stayed with ueshiba.

Yoshinkan aikido reflects this early aikido taught by ueshiba - very brutle with collar bones etc broken with alarming regularity.

as for the difference between JJJ & BJJ.

Well Robert G's explanation is very good.

BJJ is developed from and is very similar to Judo, JJJ has more locks, throws, strikes, breaks, killing techniques etc.

Daito Ryu does have ground work but has more of a focus on practical methods to destroy the opponent quickly and then return to the feet. many of the throws are designed to kill opponents - A simple koshi Nage is designed to seriously injure your opponent - not score points.

Most of the throws were very much changed in judo to make them safe this is reflected to an extent with the locks and groundwork.

a traditional Koshi Nage would throw an opponent onto their head or shoulder not their back.

this is one of the main defferences between modern and traditional JJ, modern styles were developed for safty in the competition arena - old styles were developed to kill.

cheers
chris

[Manufest]

Originally posted by chris davis 200


this is one of the main defferences between modern and traditional JJ, modern styles were developed for safty in the competition arena - old styles were developed to kill.

cheers
chris

Does that mean that the old styles are better for street defence?

[blade_cs]

Okay, it seems like the majority of you are rooting for JJJ. But why is it that BJJ is the dominating art in a fight?

[chris davis 200]

Its a dominating art in the ring -

Is it dominating in a fight? I dont know - dont think that many do.

I think that we all know the BJJ way of going to the ground quick and choking out is not practical self defence.

It is anything but self defence! It is stupidity!

Even the gracie 'self defence' methods are extremely questionable.

JJJ gives you stand up striking, practical throwing and locking, effective breaking techniques and groundwork (it does have groundwork - lets not forget that both JUDO and BJJ come from JJJ) this gives you a better chance in a REAL fight

In a ring UFC style, BJJ will probably dominate - the art is geared to this type of contest - but in the street it becomes far less practical.

Does that mean that the old styles are better for street defence?

When i say they were designed to kill i mean that. But they were also designed to break limbs quickly, and disable opponents so yeh i guess it is. It depends what you need to be on the street.

If you kill someone there are conciquences.

It is 100% a personal choice - for me to say that this is better than that is just naive, it is dependant on the reason for training.

cheers
chris

[Kirves]

BTW: it is Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu, not Daito-ryu Aiki-jutsu. Though the former does include the latter. But the latter only refers to a small and advanced part of the former.

[HAPPY JACK]

Aikido,Judo,Karate are all offshoots from jiu jitsu.
Ju Jutsu is primarily a throwing locking and controlling system of evasive self defence utilising the attackers weight and momentum against him with flexible and co-ordinated responses at angles to the incoming attack or grip (ground & stand up).example parry strike,check strike,parry 1/2 lapel choke.

Bjj is also an offshoot of jiu jitsu but was modifide by grandmaster Helio as he was unable to perform alot of the jiu jitsu moves.Helio learnt jiu jitsu from watching his older brother teach and was later made an instructor by his brother.Helio perfected leveridge with co-ordernated responses.(ground fighting)