MMA great for youth but for older folks?

Tom Yum · 08-05-2003, 03:27 PM

MMA training is great if you're young and alot of us are, but what about if you're older? What is the best martial art self-defense wise for older folks who either have no previous experience or are former fighters looking for less contact?

Szczepankiewicz · 08-05-2003, 03:49 PM

I conclude by your statement that MMA is somehow the best art for self-defense for younger folks???

Michael Neal · 08-05-2003, 04:18 PM

Helio Gracie is still practicing BJJ and he is over 90 so I recommend that, or Aikido is another option but most here would probably say BJJ.

hybone · 08-05-2003, 04:21 PM

A gun...

Tom Yum · 08-05-2003, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
I conclude by your statement that MMA is somehow the best art for self-defense for younger folks???

Not necessarily, MMA happens to have a large % of younger practicioners but it doesn't mean its the best art for self defense for younger folks.

I think there are plenty of arts that are good for younger folks self defense starting from Tang Soo Do, karate, boxing - everything as long as they can learn to apply it well.

Szczepankiewicz · 08-05-2003, 05:55 PM

I see.

Thanks for the clarification.

sercuerdas · 08-05-2003, 07:52 PM

yes helio still does bjj, but how well? and at 90 i definitle don't want to graplling and maybe hitting theground.

for older warriors i'd say the filipino arts, there are many escrimadors who fight amazingly into there 80's and 90's.

Mr. Heel Hook · 08-05-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by sercuerdas
yes helio still does bjj, but how well? and at 90 i definitle don't want to graplling and maybe hitting theground.

Odd how people think BJJ has to always be on the ground...

Toudiyama[NL] · 08-06-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Mr. Heel Hook

Odd how people think BJJ has to always be on the ground...

Well, whenever I see an interview with a Gracie, they seem to think so

Mr. Heel Hook · 08-06-2003, 06:28 AM

No...just...no.

seeker · 08-06-2003, 07:49 AM

I really depends on the person. there are extremely fit oldies who can train what ever they want.. But for self defens i think the best art would be krav maga.

sercuerdas · 08-06-2003, 09:06 AM

hey heel hook,

I train bjj, and lets be honest. do they subs from the feet, yes. is most of there stuff ground work , yes. they are incredible on the floor, but to round out there art they had to learn muay thai for striking and wrestling for realisitc takedowns. so if you take straight bjj hand try to defend yourself without taking it to the ground your probably going to get pounded.

Mr. Heel Hook · 08-06-2003, 03:23 PM

Dude...my friend...dude....we aren't talking about NHB fighting. We are talking about the average "Joe" defending himself. Not only the average Joe, but an elderly average Joe. Your average attacker isn't going to start mugging you with Tai shin kicks, is he? And since we are being honest, maybe you should check out Royce's book if you haven't learned anything but ground fighting. This is why many people think of BJJ now as mostly sport with little realistic defense techniques nowadays. Many things will get you into trouble that are OK (or good) to do on the mat in comparison to nice, hard and unforgiving concrete. There at least a few dozen ways there to defend yourself from stand up that I can think of and more than likely triple that in the book.

sercuerdas · 08-06-2003, 05:54 PM

hello heel hook,
i've read royce's book, and i do really respect there grappling ability( they are originators), the the standing self-defense stuff in that book were bo- bo ish. the counter weapon stuff would get you killed.
thanx for the reply,rob

Mr. Heel Hook · 08-06-2003, 06:42 PM

Yeah? Man, I hope Royce knows that....

View Poll Results: Best self-defense for older martial artists
Judo	1	7.14%
Jujitsu (Japanese or Brazillian)	5	35.71%
Hapkido	1	7.14%
Internal Martial Arts (Hsing-I, Ba gua, Aikido)	4	28.57%
External Martial Arts (W.chun, Kenpo, Choy Lay Fut)	0	0%
Phillipino Martial Arts	3	21.43%
JKD	0	0%
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08-05-2003, 03:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,307 Groans: 1 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	MMA great for youth but for older folks? MMA training is great if you're young and alot of us are, but what about if you're older? What is the best martial art self-defense wise for older folks who either have no previous experience or are former fighters looking for less contact?

08-05-2003, 04:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Michael Neal Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 33 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Helio Gracie is still practicing BJJ and he is over 90 so I recommend that, or Aikido is another option but most here would probably say BJJ. __________________ Michael Neal

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Mr. Heel Hook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pepperell MA Posts: 441 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No...just...no. __________________ "A deer admires a lion. But all the members of our family are lions. So it doesn't matter which lion I admire. " -Rener Gracie-

08-06-2003, 03:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mr. Heel Hook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pepperell MA Posts: 441 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dude...my friend...dude....we aren't talking about NHB fighting. We are talking about the average "Joe" defending himself. Not only the average Joe, but an elderly average Joe. Your average attacker isn't going to start mugging you with Tai shin kicks, is he? And since we are being honest, maybe you should check out Royce's book if you haven't learned anything but ground fighting. This is why many people think of BJJ now as mostly sport with little realistic defense techniques nowadays. Many things will get you into trouble that are OK (or good) to do on the mat in comparison to nice, hard and unforgiving concrete. There at least a few dozen ways there to defend yourself from stand up that I can think of and more than likely triple that in the book. __________________ "A deer admires a lion. But all the members of our family are lions. So it doesn't matter which lion I admire. " -Rener Gracie-

08-05-2003, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I conclude by your statement that MMA is somehow the best art for self-defense for younger folks???

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hybone Novice Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: TX Posts: 15 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A gun...

08-05-2003, 05:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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sercuerdas Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 160 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes helio still does bjj, but how well? and at 90 i definitle don't want to graplling and maybe hitting theground. for older warriors i'd say the filipino arts, there are many escrimadors who fight amazingly into there 80's and 90's.

08-06-2003, 07:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
seeker Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 87 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I really depends on the person. there are extremely fit oldies who can train what ever they want.. But for self defens i think the best art would be krav maga.

08-06-2003, 09:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
sercuerdas Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 160 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey heel hook, I train bjj, and lets be honest. do they subs from the feet, yes. is most of there stuff ground work , yes. they are incredible on the floor, but to round out there art they had to learn muay thai for striking and wrestling for realisitc takedowns. so if you take straight bjj hand try to defend yourself without taking it to the ground your probably going to get pounded.

08-06-2003, 05:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
sercuerdas Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 160 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello heel hook, i've read royce's book, and i do really respect there grappling ability( they are originators), the the standing self-defense stuff in that book were bo- bo ish. the counter weapon stuff would get you killed. thanx for the reply,rob

08-06-2003, 06:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mr. Heel Hook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pepperell MA Posts: 441 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah? Man, I hope Royce knows that.... __________________ "A deer admires a lion. But all the members of our family are lions. So it doesn't matter which lion I admire. " -Rener Gracie-

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