Anyone here have trouble with the armbar?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Anyone else here have trouble with the armbar? The thing is, whenever i try to do the armbar, my opponent ends his arm a bit, and the elbow drives into my groin, making it impossible to do the armbar.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Hmmm...keep the arm glued to your chest. There shouldn't be any space between. make sure it is deep to prevent it from resting right on your testies. Also, some people cup the elbow to help protect the that area.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

What do you mean by deep? Any deeper then ol'e "paul and john" will be squashed against the elbow.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Deep as in hugging tight with your legs.

[El Luchador]

Were ever the pinkie finger is The Elbow is half the arm down.
If the pinke is faceYour Left Thigh U want to pull it in Thight
& push yor Hip ifto the Right & vise versa.
If The Pink is against Your Chest U want to pull down
& push your Hips to The Sky.

A great Book on Arm Locks is Neil Adams Ippon Armlocks
While The info above is not in it.
There are great Pic & words on all way's of Locking out the
Arm in Ne-waza.

Hope This helps U out The Arm Locks is My Fav. Tech
& i have Used it Live more times Than I can Count.

[spiderchoke]

I have a few suggestions:

1. Ever tried to angle the arm off to one side a bit to avoid "Pinky and the Brains".

2. try to raise your hips a bit to put the fulcrum of your lock at a higher point on your pelvic bone.

3. get your hips under his shoulder, not his arm. This will be a better lock by isolating the joint.

4. Adorn the new name of "No Nuts Nate" and find solace in always getting the armbar.

"Everyday spent training is one day closer to learning something."
.....Spiderchoke

[El Luchador]

Originally posted by spiderchoke
I have a few suggestions:

1. Ever tried to angle the arm off to one side a bit to avoid "Pinky and the Brains".

2. try to raise your hips a bit to put the fulcrum of your lock at a higher point on your pelvic bone.

3. get your hips under his shoulder, not his arm. This will be a better lock by isolating the joint.

4. Adorn the new name of "No Nuts Nate" and find solace in always getting the armbar.

"Everyday spent training is one day closer to learning something."
.....Spiderchoke

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Bringing the hips to the shoulder will result in a much eaiser escape...

[spiderchoke]

You know "pinky and the Brains"....."Joe joe and his dancers"....."The pole vault twins"...."The bishop and the alterboys".....Therer are sooooo many.....................


The arm can rotate in a radial direction. Unless you are to rotate the arm to its full extention the opponent could still self rotate it and bend their arm. The radius and ulna must be crossed to full twist. The person applying the technique must also be sure to have hold on the wrist of the person and not the hand.

In an ideal world, you can put your other hand under the elbow of the oppnent. Sometimes you may have to have it out as a tripod to balance and control your opponent. Especially if the opponent is larger and/or stronger. Generally, I think that on the street you would probably be attacked by someont your own size or larger. Little guys are less likely to pick a bigger guy to attack. In competition, the weight classes will keep you fairly close in size, but strength may vary. The stamina of the opponent may also factor in to when you should apply an armbar. If the opponent is not worn out, and may be stronger than you, or just strong enough to deal with your weight, you may have to wait.

All of these could factor in to the opponent bending their arm on you.

Of course, I would check my technique first. Check the circumstance second.

"Everyday spent training is one day closer to learning something."
.....spiderchoke

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Originally posted by Mr. Heel Hook
Bringing the hips to the shoulder will result in a much eaiser escape...

Yeah...yeah, what I said...

[spiderchoke]

Bringing the hips to the shoulder will result in a much eaiser escape...

Please qualify the statement.

Control of the shoulder is essential to the lock. You must isolate very joint in the link to effectively lock the chosen joint.

The arm is like a length of chain. If you were to grab a link and pull, the chain would simply conform to the pressure. If you were to weld four links together, then hold one end and then hold the other, you would be in a situation to break the weld or the link of the chain.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Let me just make sure you are saying what I think you are saying...bring the shoulder up to the groin rather than the elbow. Is that right? If not, I retract my statement...

[spiderchoke]

The elbow should be past the groin. If the elbow is in the groin, then the shoulder is not controlled. If the shoulder is free, so is the arm.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Yes, I agree the elbow should be slightly past the groin but not so far as to have the shoulder up on the groin itself. The body is controlled by pinching the legs and have the arm glued to your chest. Having the shoulder that high up (to me at least) seems like it would be easier for an escape via turning into the person or doing a true escape by taking the trapping foot off your neck. The trapping foot (which in this case would be the left foot since I am picturing the armbar being applied to my right arm) seems to be (in mind I will try this later today) far to loose. I suppose it would be easier to understand what you mean from actually seeing what you are talking about. But from what I gather it seems to easy to turn or do a true escape.

[MrBoxerGrappler]

Yes I have trouble with armbars...I have trouble with the one HeelHook has been putting on me since I was like seventeen.

ELBasTARDE!