Problems with TKD - Page 3

Acitic · 08-13-2003, 12:04 PM

also note the range thought in that picture it is possible to come in with a jab. in my picture it would take more time cuzz the other guy has to bring up his head to find the kicker then move in to jab. by that time the kicker could be defending again

falcon3624 · 08-13-2003, 12:07 PM

Well if he tried that on someone that does an art that is worth a crap then he wouldn't have to come up and find him to hit him. If he tried that on a person in another art all they would have to do to find him is look down on the floor. I pitty the TKD guy that tries that crap on me cuz I'll knock him clean out..........

Ghost · 08-13-2003, 12:07 PM

yeah right, my point was what if its blocked.

THAT IS WHY I POSTED A PICTURE OF SOMEONE KICKING AND IT GETTING BLOCKED.

Acitic · 08-13-2003, 12:12 PM

last post was for ghost

Ghost · 08-13-2003, 12:13 PM

the jab is covered by the outstretched right arm and left hand

Next.

falcon3624 · 08-13-2003, 12:15 PM

Did you change your profile acitic? Looks like you added bare knuckle boxing and systema..........Don't try to pass no crap on up now son........

Ghost · 08-13-2003, 12:16 PM

yes i see that too.

Been looking at my profile have you Acitic?

eXcessiveForce · 08-13-2003, 03:40 PM

For Ghost's pic.
Defenders Shin block converts to modified sidekick stomp to kickers knee career over.

Depending on power and ability the front kick to the groin and then the modified kick might be more fun.

Often between those techniques the hands drop.

Quick point.

Thai kick that misses will leave the back towards the attacker. Nice to close and vascular neck restraint to oblivion.

The original pic after further evaluation may be one of several techniques.

It would appear that it might have been a jump spin crescent though rather than a heel or hook kick. Moving backwards leaves you ready to be killed a ton of moves that it sets up such as a sweep, round kick, spin backfist, back kick. etc.

Moving in on it might end up having it turn into an Ax kick. Timing is key.

The guy should have his hands up though. Never drop your hands

The shotokan picture is staged. most likely not motion shots. Therefore you would have to keep the hip out to hold the kick in the air for the length of time needed to take the picture.

It's hard to tell much from pictures. The original pic was from a sparring match not for a full contact fight (most likely) therefore the technique is most likely somewhat controlled.

William · 08-13-2003, 04:04 PM

Quick point.
Thai kick that misses will leave the back towards the attacker. Nice to close and vascular neck restraint to oblivion.

Yes, but I've also seen a guy miss a right round kick and carry the momentum into a left reverse spinning elbow and drop the guy as he tried to move in behind the kick. Nothing is certain.

It also leaves open the possiblity of a knee, teep, or round kick to the lower back while exsposed.

The guy should have his hands up though. Never drop your hands

Key.

William

eXcessiveForce · 08-13-2003, 04:40 PM

exactly, a missed kick is a missed kick. They are not only a concern for TKD.

falcon3624 · 08-13-2003, 04:47 PM

Yea, but a missed kick when you are not blocking is a knock out.

Acitic · 08-14-2003, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by falcon3624
Did you change your profile acitic? Looks like you added bare knuckle boxing and systema..........Don't try to pass no crap on up now son........

Systema i have been learning from my friend for about 3 months now....... and i always bare knuckel when i am going at my heavy bag...... never considered it anything until i say it on ghost and thought might as well add it too

cakegirl · 08-14-2003, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
Typacly Shotokan I would say

Damn! I do Shotokan, and the only people I see kicking like that are old dudes with no flexibility or beginner students who haven't learned how to kick yet!

~Cakegirl

Ghost · 08-14-2003, 05:24 AM

To Excessive force.

As far i know this is the best gaurd for someone throwing a head kick.

Any attack soemone makes will most likely leave them open to someform of counter attack.

I stated myslef that the groin was attackable when i posted my pic.

Of course the supporting leg is vulnerable, show me a head kick that isnt.

My point is that as far as i know this is the BEST way to do a head kick as it MINIMISES the availiable targets. It is not fool proof.

I mean its a head kick.

What do you want.

I know which way i would throw a head kick. It will never be the TKD way.

Toudiyama[NL] · 08-14-2003, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cakegirl

Damn! I do Shotokan, and the only people I see kicking like that are old dudes with no flexibility or beginner students who haven't learned how to kick yet!

~Cakegirl

Yeah especially the teacher do it like that, they are those old dudes well 30 something and 5th dan and former european Katachamp (wuko style)
Problem is because the teacher does them like that, the student will do the same

BTW you are practicaly forced to do it this way when kicking from the deeprouted zenkutsu dachi (or go up and down all the time)

08-13-2003, 03:40 PM	#38 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,906 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	For Ghost's pic. Defenders Shin block converts to modified sidekick stomp to kickers knee career over. Depending on power and ability the front kick to the groin and then the modified kick might be more fun. Often between those techniques the hands drop. Quick point. Thai kick that misses will leave the back towards the attacker. Nice to close and vascular neck restraint to oblivion. The original pic after further evaluation may be one of several techniques. It would appear that it might have been a jump spin crescent though rather than a heel or hook kick. Moving backwards leaves you ready to be killed a ton of moves that it sets up such as a sweep, round kick, spin backfist, back kick. etc. Moving in on it might end up having it turn into an Ax kick. Timing is key. The guy should have his hands up though. Never drop your hands The shotokan picture is staged. most likely not motion shots. Therefore you would have to keep the hip out to hold the kick in the air for the length of time needed to take the picture. It's hard to tell much from pictures. The original pic was from a sparring match not for a full contact fight (most likely) therefore the technique is most likely somewhat controlled. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive. www.b-prime.com A success and achievement community

08-13-2003, 04:04 PM	#39 (permalink)
William Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: R.I. Posts: 566 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quick point. Thai kick that misses will leave the back towards the attacker. Nice to close and vascular neck restraint to oblivion. Yes, but I've also seen a guy miss a right round kick and carry the momentum into a left reverse spinning elbow and drop the guy as he tried to move in behind the kick. Nothing is certain. It also leaves open the possiblity of a knee, teep, or round kick to the lower back while exsposed. The guy should have his hands up though. Never drop your hands Key. William __________________ New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Mongrel Combative Arts www.mongrelcombativearts.com All you need is love........and a sharp blade.....a hardwood flat stick......Oh, oh, oh and a Paraordinance lda 14.45 loaded with 230 grain hydra shocks,ranger SXT's or golden sabres

08-13-2003, 04:40 PM	#40 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,906 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	exactly, a missed kick is a missed kick. They are not only a concern for TKD. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive. www.b-prime.com A success and achievement community

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08-13-2003, 12:04 PM	#31 (permalink)
Acitic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary Posts: 175 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	also note the range thought in that picture it is possible to come in with a jab. in my picture it would take more time cuzz the other guy has to bring up his head to find the kicker then move in to jab. by that time the kicker could be defending again

08-13-2003, 12:07 PM	#32 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well if he tried that on someone that does an art that is worth a crap then he wouldn't have to come up and find him to hit him. If he tried that on a person in another art all they would have to do to find him is look down on the floor. I pitty the TKD guy that tries that crap on me cuz I'll knock him clean out..........

08-13-2003, 12:12 PM	#34 (permalink)
Acitic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary Posts: 175 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	last post was for ghost

08-13-2003, 12:15 PM	#36 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Did you change your profile acitic? Looks like you added bare knuckle boxing and systema..........Don't try to pass no crap on up now son........

08-13-2003, 04:47 PM	#41 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yea, but a missed kick when you are not blocking is a knock out.

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