gracie jujitsu book

[kevin green]

I was going to buy the Gracie jujitsu book today but after looking at it for about 15 minutes I decided that it had some glaring inadequacies. It was beautifully done but the pictures pertaining to their throws was very old fashioned and taught with little insight.
These guys come across as some one that was too lazy to learn to throw and wern't good at stand up type of fighting. The obvious question is what about multiple attackers? Throws are a real good way to end a fight especialy if you take advantage of terrain or close by objects.
I have heard that the brazilians will lay on the ground and try to trap your legs. Sounds like a sport or maybe part of a fighting system!

[RobertG]

Kevin have I mentioned how utterly douchey you are?

[JaredExtreme]

LoL....................

[Nutz]

If you can wade through his ignorance, I think he raises a really good point here. Ground/grappling arts often do not lend themselves to handling multiple attackers, which is a very real aspect of streetfighting. You can't say with a straight face that you can handle two-on-one or three-on-one scenarios when you yourself are on the ground. If anyone wants a glimpse of how to survive an assault by multiple attackers, I highly suggest you get your hands on Vunak's Mass Attack video.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Yeah, because any art is truly effective against multipule people....!?!???

[Nutz]

Originally posted by Mr. Heel Hook
Yeah, because any art is truly effective against multipule people....!?!???

No. Just pointing out that BJJ is not the be-all-end-all solution that everyone seems to make it out to be. Many arts/systems consider themselves well rounded, which for the most part they may be (i.e cover all the ranges), but often many fail to face some of the aspects one may face in a "real" assault--one of which is facing multiple attackers.

Don't get me wrong. I'm NOT knocking BJJ. All I'm saying is that if you want to consider yourself truly well-rounded (not just MMA-esque), then you need to train for the whole gamut of what is out there: street/improvised weapons, mass attack, CQC, etc.

[Great Sage]

Although I don't entirely agree with Nutz on the subject of BJJ, I do agree that the Gracie book is simply a ploy to make money... It's basically useless.

First of all, the book is categorized into belt sections which makes no sense, since BJJ is based on how well you execute techniques, NOT how many techniques you know...

The most dissapointing aspect of the book is that there are no advanced techniques... All you get is a few guard passes and mount escapes, coupled with simple submission holds.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Which book are we all talking about here?

[swan104]

I take it you're referring to the book, "Brazilian Ju-Jitsu - Theroy and Practice" book? I tried ordering that from Amazon, but there was a 6 week wait for it, so I decided to buy "Mastering Ju-Jitsu" by Renzo Gracie instead!

[shasan]

actually, in that very same book that he's talking about (at least, I think he's talking about the Renzo and Royler book), the foreword talks about how, in a multiple attacker situation, a BJJ guy would be able to avoid takedowns and escape.

yeah, against multiple attackers, BJJ is fairly ineffective.

Although this one time my buddy was in a fight outside a nightclub... he took the guy down, got in a side mount and put the guy in a keylock (americana). Apparently the guy's buddies were kicking him in the ribs while he almost ripped the guy's shoulder off.... and then the cops arrived

Go figure. I woulda kicked at his head... stomped him.

[MrPoopy]

This must be the 100th time that grappling multiple attackers has been discussed. I think anyone with any sense knows not to get too involved with one person when you know others are waiting to get at you.

[kevin green]

Beautifuly done book but shows it as more a sport .Definatly has many good points but throws are shown standing still classical crap .improper driving force (direction) (pushing leg)Gracies don't know how to teach throwing properly.
Plus seems to ignore upright fighting skills like God intended man, up on two legs ,moving ,slinging heavy punches + kicks!
ABLE TO RUN AWAY!

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Originally posted by Great Sage
Although I don't entirely agree with Nutz on the subject of BJJ, I do agree that the Gracie book is simply a ploy to make money... It's basically useless.

Useless? I don't know about that. The book has some excellent techniques in it that should be practiced a bit. But regardless of the move count and so forth, you can never get anywhere unless you spar a whole bunch. Knowing moves and doing them well are two different things. I suppose it is just nice to have a small encyclopedia lying around to look at every once in a while.

Oh yeah, and another thing, just so people know is that Renzo and Royler never wanted to do the book. The Sheik asked them to do it as a personal favor. Neither wanted to do it because they didn't want people to get an over secure feeling about how good they actual were. Just because you learn all the moves in the (for example) blue belt section doesn't make you a blue belt. That's what they were partial scared of and in part why they never wanted to make it.
Well, at least this is what Rener told me when he stayed at my house for the seminar last month. Along with that, he pointed out a few things that were wrong with it.
The only one I can think of is on page 95, "Foot lock counter to the rear-mounted position." Almost everyone knows this escape, but what the book doesn't mention the way you cross your feet depends on the way they cross their feet. If you screw up, it doesn't hurt.
Perhaps they didn't care or they just didn't think about it. Either way (mistakes and all) I think it is a good book with certain faults but loaded with plenty of stuff to practice on an uneventful day.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Originally posted by kevin green

God intended man, up on two legs ,moving ,slinging heavy punches + kicks!
ABLE TO RUN AWAY!

Christ!? God intended me to take heavy blows and not clinch the effectivness of the strike away!?



I never knew he was so cruel!!!!

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Oh, and by "the Shiek" I mean: Sheik Tahnoon Bin Zayed Al Mayan. <----- Quite a name, ne?


The guy who created Abu Dhabi. His purpose in the want of the book is to further germinate the seeds of grappling arts now starting to flourish around the world.