Military training

[Nutz]

I was surfing the other night and came across this site. Take a look and evaluate it for yourselves.

I was really really suprised as to how much the Army has changed their Hand-to-Hand combatives over the last decade or so to include so much modern grappling and ground work. In my opinion, the fundamentals they're teaching are very sound and applicable.

[NODAN]

Nice find! Many thanks.

[ryanhall]

Already had a very, very long conversation regarding it with one of the principal creators of the manual, Matt Larsen. I still don't agree with him, but he presented himself well. Look at the archived thread, 'Military Combat.'

[platinum_angel]

i am going to to be going into the air force in about 2 years. so i'm going to be looking foward to the free combat training. taking basic training in a year. while getting college credit for medical service.

[Nutz]

Originally posted by platinum_angel
i am going to to be going into the air force in about 2 years. so i'm going to be looking foward to the free combat training. taking basic training in a year. while getting college credit for medical service.

Uh, I've been in the Air Force for over 6 years now, the last 5 or so with Special Operations. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Air Force doesn't have a hand-to-hand combatives course for the general population like the Army and Marines do. What AFSC are you going in as?

[platinum_angel]

i don't know what AFSC i'm going into. my dad said there are prolly are courses like just depends. and even if not there prolly will be courses i take in college. for instance i plan on going to a base 5 miles south of columbus ohio(forgot name of base) and they offer kali, bjj, mt, and JKD. and even if that all does not work out like planed then i still got the reason i'm going into the air force----college

p.s. thanks for the brutal honesty though

[Nutz]

Originally posted by platinum_angel
i don't know what AFSC i'm going into. my dad said there are prolly are courses like just depends. and even if not there prolly will be courses i take in college. for instance i plan on going to a base 5 miles south of columbus ohio(forgot name of base) and they offer kali, bjj, mt, and JKD. and even if that all does not work out like planed then i still got the reason i'm going into the air force----college

p.s. thanks for the brutal honesty though

Let me say this. Do NOT listen to anything anyone says about your chances of getting anything on your Dream Sheet. You will pretty much be dealt an assignment that meets "the needs of the Air Force". What that means is that there will only be so many slots for a particular AFSC at any given base. People returning from OS assignments will get preference, and then the remaining slots that need filled at the remainder of the gaining bases pull in people from CONUS to CONUS transfers. Thats when your assignment will be drawn, and that will be from the bases that still need your AFSC. This is the point when your Dream Sheet will be reference--If any of the bases that need your AFSC are on your Dream Sheet then you might have a chance of getting a good base. What you need to do is find out what bases will be available for your assignment cycle when you get out of Tech School and then make preferences out of those to list on your Dream Sheet. Oh, and not all bases will be gaining people of a particular AFSC every assignment cycle (which are quarterly). That said, the best way to get a decent base is to either go Overseas and go "Indefinate"
or get a short tour (i.e. Korea or Turkey) and then you'll be given a a guaranteed assignment of your choice (NOTE: there are many stipulations with this method).

Also, do NOT go in under "open general". You absolutely MUST have a guaranteed job going into Basic Training, otherwise there's a 99% chance you'll end up as Security Police (or another job nobody else wants to go into). And don't let them fool you--SPs have one the WORST jobs in the Air Force, only behind the ditch diggers in Civil Engineering. They work terrible hours, often get shit on by their commands/units/bases, and generally all hate their life. Every single SP I've ever known has regretted it and either gotten out of the military or cross-trained into another career field.

Ask your recruiter about all this and post back his reply. I'm starting to think he's blowing sunshine up your ass (which most seem to do these days). If I can give you any advice about joining the military it'd be this: Take care of number one, because nobody else will.

Oh, this may help put things into perspective--everyone has seen these commercials, 1, 2, 3 right? Well how about this one? Everyone that I've ever known in the AF that's seen these all react the same way--we can't help but laugh because we all know how rediculously true it is.

[Yang]

I'm in the usmc. And the combat training that is taught is pretty damn good. Any one who is planning to go in to the armed services, make sure u take a good look at them all and see which have what u want. But if ur in to hard a** work and lots of respect join the corps. Srry if I mite of insulted any other service no beef. USMC do or die.

[Cain]

quite sideways... don't you think?

[BadgerFu57]

yeah I don't like that. And I don't like the emphasis on groundwork. I mean it's nice to know BJJ, but on the battlefield people have guns and knives. Even if you have someone in a rear choke, they can stab you, or their buddy can stab you. If you are in the guard, they can stab you. You can just get bloody well stabbed. I recommend finding makeshift weapons. And if you are in the middle of Iraq and can't find anything, well throw sand in their eyes! If you are that close in the freaking open desert, then that's just well.... weird.

[seany85]

what MA is the USMC taught and is there a RAF version of the ASFC Special Operations, just woundering thats all

[shasan]

The best thing I've gotten out of BJJ is use of positioning... really got drummed into my head, so maybe that's the benefit.


offtopic: Nutz, what kind of special ops does the USAF do? working with other special ops like insertion/extraction?

[Kingston]

Shasan where in Toronto do you train? (im just intrested)

[shasan]

actually, I just moved here from winnipeg. I'm looking for places to train, so far I've visited only Kombat Arts on Mavis/Burnamthorpe in Mississauga. They have a good all round program.

I'm thinking of going there for their free week.

[Benjamin Dover]

Hand to hand on the battle field is totally than self defense. Traditional stances have to be used to lower your centre of gravity. 90% of the time you cannot adopt a very mobile "boxer" like stance because you will most likely be weighted down.

Even on peacekeeping missions my webbing has been weighted down with over 20 Lbs of kit. The guys who have just returned from Afghanistan said that their webbing weighed approx 25-25 Lbs. Ontop of that you have your daypacks and rucksacks. Of course for the avg grunt they will be fighting without the ruck and daypack but the webbing and weapon can prove to be quite unyielding.

Forget about using BJJ in the battlefield. That will get you killed. Hand to hand is quick and fast. Just stab and go. If buddy is having trouble you can just stick his opponent anywhere and your buddy will finish him off. Knowing how to parry and use your knife is what will save you in the field.

Oh....shasan....what was the name of that awesome school in wpg? Those guys rock!