Hapkido pertaining to Resitance Control

[ColoradoHapkido]

Hi.

Hapkido is EXCELLENT in controlling an opponet(s) resistance. I've been affiliated with Hapkido and Phillipino Martial arts for over 10 years and have found that Hapkido and a variation of Silat known as Kun Tao Silat are excellent for these types of situations. Let's face it, multi attacker situations are the REAL situations that serious martial artist strive to conquer. To be able to control multiple attackers instaneosly is what I've found Hapkido has to offer. Hope this helps and email me if you have any questions!

[Thai Bri]

Why not just post questions! Like

1. If you're saying Hapkido (or any art) can guarantee controlling multiple assailants, shouldn't you hang your head in shame and admit you're either lying or naive?

[Szczepankiewicz]

It's True! It's True!

[ColoradoHapkido]

words like Guarantee, alsways, and never are words that any novice knows does not exist in any martial arts. If you read the response the way it was intended you would have surmised that Hapkido is a great martial for controlling multiple attackers and is to my knowledge (15 years of Hapkido, and Phillipino Martial arts) one of the only that routinely practices multi-attacker situations. Next time you should try and read, digest, understand and then respond.

[BadgerFu57]

Have you ever done Hapkido against a resistant opponent? By that I mean, someone who could do whatever they want (except striking cuz that would be too dangerous in most cases). I find it doesn't work jack against wrestlers/BJJers, much less someone slugging at me.

[BadgerFu57]

and Hapkido people always say they cant because it will break bones and joints..... BJJ and Judo people grapple all the time and the occurence of injury is low.

[ryanhall]

I'd expect someone who claims to be a ten year practitioner of the Filipino martial arts to be able to spell Filipino correctly. Also, take the nonsense elsewhere. Your subtle form of spam is not welcome here.

To be able to control multiple attackers instaneosly is what I've found Hapkido has to offer

Now that's just a bald faced lie. I've taken hapkido. I know.

You want real Hapkido, look at Alain Burrese-- www.burrese.com

I've heard good things about him, and you'll note that he makes no such claims.

Joint locking multiple attackers...

[ColoradoHapkido]

Wow... we have english prof's in here too. This is great. Let me be CRYSTAL CLEAR for those of you few misguided soles first. Silat/Cali, Kuntao Silat whatever you're flavor complement Hapkido very well and visa versa. The RIGHT practicioner under the RIGHT instructor can control multiple attackers.

Mr. Hall, I'd hope that someone who was critical on the spelling of a broad base term of martial arts (that is NEVER used by REAL MARTIAL ARTISITS) would understand that Hapkdio (REAL HAPKIDO) involves multi attacker drills such as Quad drills, two/three and four on one attack drills. BJJ is great if you're only fighting one person in a cage but get real on the street you get on the ground and ten of the guys friends are kicking the crap out of you. ...and by the way SPAM, please find some other source to place your negativity.

Badge, There's an old saying and that is you don't box a boxer, wreste a wrestler.... I'd suggest to cross train as you probably already do and have your instructor and peers spar in as many different scenarios (i.e. two guys trying to wrestle you down, if you're concerned about wrestlers) as possible. You'll really get a lot out of it! Good luck!

[ryanhall]

Control multiple compliant training partners, yes. Multiple attackers, no.

Also, I don't recall saying anything about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Wow... we have english prof's in here too

Not exacly. However, many people make many outlandish claims. As the Filipinos tend to be very proud of their arts, I would somehow believe that the practitioners of their arts could, at the very least, spell their arts properly.

(REAL HAPKIDO) involves multi attacker drills such as Quad drills, two/three and four on one attack drills

Ooh, multiple attacker drills. I run those too, but controlling isn't even part of the equation if I hope to survive in real life. Manipulating, hitting first, and escaping is the only thing on my mind. Take the twisty wristy nonsense elsewhere before a novice starts taking your word as truth.

Like I said before: please your hapkido endorsement somewhere else (I'd say the same to anyone else promoting any art without offering any other valuable insight, please do not take this personally).

Have a nice day.

[Thai Bri]

Ninjas do invisibility training.

But they can't go invisible.

Nuff said.

[IPON]

Thai - I think Ninja invisability training does work......I have never seen a "real" ninja

[Szczepankiewicz]

ColoradoHapkido + 3 posts + flaming = Agenda Troll

I have a favorable opinion of Hapkido and of FMA, however, you are not doing either a great service with your whining.

You just might be an expert. But right now you're coming off as a 15 year old instead of a 15 year veteran.

Chill out or bug out.

And feel free to take that personally.

Spanky

[ColoradoHapkido]

Ryan:

First off, no offense is ever taken in this forum. We are discussing different view points, this is what makes martial arts across the board great.

So here are my points and please don't waste time with spelling corrections, let's just stick to the martial arts.

1. "Ooh, multiple attacker drills. I run those too, but controlling isn't even part of the equation if I hope to survive in real life."

If you're seriously training and your compliant partners or Uke's our not resitaning and to the point where you have to work a little than your not really training. I'm not talking about breaking bones, and "kill" moves here, just putting on the pads and fluidly moving through a combat situation. We go about 75% speed and yes you get hit, but wach time you train you get hit less in less vital areas. After striking an opp (and I mean you hit his arm/leg coming in and strike all the way up to the body, multilpe hits or "distractions") then the "twisty wristy nonsense " comes into play or a combat throw. At least you had one thing right and that is get out of there. Just do what you need to do to survive!

2. "Control multiple compliant training partners, yes. Multiple attackers, no."

There is a theory I heard once. Multiple attackers don't train hours on end to attack one person. It's a spurt of the moment idea at best and highly unorganized. But there our some things that often occur. Triangulation and/or enveloping the "victim" is often used. "Dialouge/Distraction , Deception and Destruction" are the "D's" that lead to the victim's dimissal. If you are alert and have control over these concepts you will survive.

If you just go in swining, you're dead. So "controlling" multiple attackers is a key. Seriously try it, but as you mentioned you have to soften the opp. a little first. A scoop kick, jab, hand gunting, whatever you use you just can't pull a Segal and pop Kotegashi on the opp.

3. "Please (take) your hapkido endorsement somewhere else".

This all begun in response to Badge's Quesiton on resistance control using Hapkido. So of course, I'm going to concentrate on Hapkido.

4. "As the Filipinos tend to be very proud of their arts, I would somehow believe that the practitioners of their arts could, at the very least, spell their arts properly"

Yes the practicioneers of Filipino arts our proud because it often involves the teachings from one family generation to the next. We our blessed to be able to be tough by such Guru's who feel like sharing thier family Cali or Silat system with us. You should to.

By the way "Bald face lie" ....think you meant BOLD....it's ok...spelling is obviously not our forte.

As I said, don't take this personal. This is just a forum and I hope share and gain insight as always.

[ColoradoHapkido]

Spanky? This is your sign name and I'm the 15yo?...ok whatever you say. and please take that as personal as you like....

[Sean Dempsey]

Amidst all this, a few things come to mind.

first, a quote by albert einstein "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

There is no one way to do anything. The word "best" is a fallacy that has no meaning, there is nothing other than our perception. Hapkido is probably great, but it's no more powerful or weak than the person using it.

You are defending your art tenaciously, which I can understand. But your meaning is lost in your message, you come with claims and qualifications, but no one listens because they are too focused on the way you deliver your message.

It's really all infantesimal. A wise man once said "All I really know is that, really, I know nothing at all."

Everyone can believe what they want. Maybe Hapkido can take 10 people at once, maybe Rickson Gracie can't fight 4 armed attackers, maybe ninjas really ARE invisible, and maybe, just maybe, the Scottish martial art of "fuk-yu" is the most supreme at defending 1000 attackers.

In the end, a good craftsman never blames his tools.