December is going to amazing for NHB!

keithws · 11-20-2000, 06:23 PM

I'm stoked about the December line up:
Pride: Kerr v Vovchankin
King of Rings: Always great fights
UFC: Tito v Kondo
K1: Frank Shamrocks return

I think Kerr is going to take a close look at Coleman's fight with Vov. I see him going back to ground 'n' pound to take out Vov.

And Tito against Kondo is going to be another great fight

;later....

YeLLa-TiGeR · 11-20-2000, 08:11 PM

I am waiting for Sak. VS Frank and Rickson VS Sak, as well as Pele and Silva fighting in PRIDE!

EJ · 11-21-2000, 01:25 AM

Hell yeah!!!!!

Plus Tedd Williams is promoting a show in So Cal Dec 9th at the same venue as KOTC.

KOTC moves to Michigan in the last weekend of November.

L3FTH00K · 11-21-2000, 02:55 AM

I never seen or heard of KONDO so I looked at the fighter's database for his record. I was amazed to see he KO'd Frank Shamrock

yusul · 11-22-2000, 01:09 AM

i think that kondo KO'd a BJJ BB in NHB too.

Tiger69 · 11-22-2000, 01:42 AM

There will be no Sak vs. Frank or Sak vs. Rickson because Sak will be defeated by Ryan. Damn, I can't wait to see what Sak worshippers has to say after their hero gets destroyed.

Hookah Smokin Caterpillar · 11-22-2000, 09:22 PM

I didn't see the Coleman vs. Vov fight, but do you guys think that Coleman would've still won had he not had a much easier tourney then Vov? I'm not saying he couldn't beat Vov, I'm just saying don't you guys think it would've been even closer and more of a 50/50 chance? For some reason, I feel that these 3 men are the top 3 Heavys out right now. I feel that there's no number one out of all 3 of them, its just that Coleman had the best night at the Grand Prix. They can interchange wins all day, but for some reason I feel like Coleman would beat Vov if they fought, Vov would beat Kerr if they fought, and Kerr would beat Coleman if they fought. Just a wierd way, but from watching all three men fight, thats the impression I get.

Jimmy23 · 11-22-2000, 10:34 PM

Tiger Ill bet ya ten cents that Sak beats Ryan.Sak is at his peak right now,Ryan isnt experienced enough to beat him.Even if he does,Sak will still be a big name fighter,one loss doesnt end a career.

Tiger69 · 11-22-2000, 11:36 PM

Well Jimmy, I'm aftraid you're gonna lose your 10 cents when the fight happens. Sak is going down.

Hookah Smokin Caterpillar · 11-22-2000, 11:41 PM

Tiger, what makes you so sure Ryan is going to win? Have you rolled with both of them? Have you actually seen Ryan fight more then once? What makes you think Ryan would surely win while everyone was saying Renzo has a 40% chance? How can Royce and Renzo lose to Sak, but Ryan not?

Tiger69 · 11-22-2000, 11:59 PM

Well then, on a contrary, what makes you think Ryan would not beat Sakuraba? Just because Royce and Renzo lost makes Ryan automatically lose to Sak? What's the deal? Are you trying to say that the Gracies are all same so that when one loses, the other will lose as well?

Look, just wait and see. Ryan will definately win and shut everybody's mouth.

Hookah Smokin Caterpillar · 11-23-2000, 06:23 AM

They're not the same, Renzo and Royce are obviously better and I have no doubt in my mind that Royce would've toyed with Izishikawa or whatever his name is. So would've Renzo. I want to know why you underrate Sakuraba. Because you think he'd lose to "middleweights" like Tito? I don't understand how anyone can not think he's the best right now. You can hate him all you want, doesn't stop him from being an amazing fighter right now. I want to know why you think Ryan can beat a bigger, more experienced Sakuraba. Ryan WILL fight off of his back and not the other way around, so Sak will again dominate the guard like he knows how. If he can dominate Royce's, he can definatly dominate Ryan's. Thats not saying all Gracies are the same, its saying that I believe that Ryan's guard can't be as good as Royce's. Sak also has a hot streak going for him and he's confident. I just gave you why I think Sak will win, now tell me why you think Ryan can

keithws · 11-23-2000, 06:07 PM

Japanese pro wrestlers have been kicking the shit out of Gracies and BJJ fighters:

Sak over Royce
Sak over Royler
Sak over Renzo

Kondo over riberio (the best BJJ man)
Kondo over the the 99 BJJ champion in the UfC

The sad truth is, Ryan has no prayer. All the bull!t about aggressiveness and punching ability plays into the promoters hands. They know Ryan has the name but not the game. Sh!t, you put me against an inferior opponent and I'll look like a world beater also.

Pride gets the best of both worlds once again. Their superstar gets an easy fight and they don't get criticized for protecting Sak, cause he's fighting a Gracie.

BTW: hookah, I think coleman beats Vov everytime. His takedowns are great and he's developed an excellent ground 'n' pound attack. His body shots were fantastic in the last pride.....

11-20-2000, 06:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
keithws Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Union City, CA Posts: 221	I'm stoked about the December line up: Pride: Kerr v Vovchankin King of Rings: Always great fights UFC: Tito v Kondo K1: Frank Shamrocks return I think Kerr is going to take a close look at Coleman's fight with Vov. I see him going back to ground 'n' pound to take out Vov. And Tito against Kondo is going to be another great fight ;later.... __________________ "As long as they stick with fighting BJJ world champions, the japanese will be fine."

11-21-2000, 01:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
EJ Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Southern California!!!!!!!! Posts: 2,115	Hell yeah!!!!! Plus Tedd Williams is promoting a show in So Cal Dec 9th at the same venue as KOTC. KOTC moves to Michigan in the last weekend of November. __________________ -EJ "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentation of the women!" - Conan The Barbarian

11-22-2000, 09:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hookah Smokin Caterpillar Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 393	I didn't see the Coleman vs. Vov fight, but do you guys think that Coleman would've still won had he not had a much easier tourney then Vov? I'm not saying he couldn't beat Vov, I'm just saying don't you guys think it would've been even closer and more of a 50/50 chance? For some reason, I feel that these 3 men are the top 3 Heavys out right now. I feel that there's no number one out of all 3 of them, its just that Coleman had the best night at the Grand Prix. They can interchange wins all day, but for some reason I feel like Coleman would beat Vov if they fought, Vov would beat Kerr if they fought, and Kerr would beat Coleman if they fought. Just a wierd way, but from watching all three men fight, thats the impression I get. __________________ "Living is easy with eyes closed, Misunderstanding all you see, Its getting hard to be someone but it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me..." - Lennon, John

11-22-2000, 10:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jimmy23 Novice Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Biloxi,Mississippi Posts: 60	Tiger Ill bet ya ten cents that Sak beats Ryan.Sak is at his peak right now,Ryan isnt experienced enough to beat him.Even if he does,Sak will still be a big name fighter,one loss doesnt end a career. __________________ Only a fool hates the truth,but the world is full of fools Karl Gotch

11-22-2000, 11:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hookah Smokin Caterpillar Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 393	Tiger, what makes you so sure Ryan is going to win? Have you rolled with both of them? Have you actually seen Ryan fight more then once? What makes you think Ryan would surely win while everyone was saying Renzo has a 40% chance? How can Royce and Renzo lose to Sak, but Ryan not? __________________ "Living is easy with eyes closed, Misunderstanding all you see, Its getting hard to be someone but it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me..." - Lennon, John

11-20-2000, 08:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
YeLLa-TiGeR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 1,148	I am waiting for Sak. VS Frank and Rickson VS Sak, as well as Pele and Silva fighting in PRIDE!

11-21-2000, 02:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
L3FTH00K Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 70	I never seen or heard of KONDO so I looked at the fighter's database for his record. I was amazed to see he KO'd Frank Shamrock

11-22-2000, 01:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
yusul Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: north america Posts: 57	i think that kondo KO'd a BJJ BB in NHB too.

11-22-2000, 01:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tiger69 Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: LA Posts: 77	There will be no Sak vs. Frank or Sak vs. Rickson because Sak will be defeated by Ryan. Damn, I can't wait to see what Sak worshippers has to say after their hero gets destroyed.

11-22-2000, 11:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tiger69 Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: LA Posts: 77	Well Jimmy, I'm aftraid you're gonna lose your 10 cents when the fight happens. Sak is going down.

11-22-2000, 11:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tiger69 Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: LA Posts: 77	Well then, on a contrary, what makes you think Ryan would not beat Sakuraba? Just because Royce and Renzo lost makes Ryan automatically lose to Sak? What's the deal? Are you trying to say that the Gracies are all same so that when one loses, the other will lose as well? Look, just wait and see. Ryan will definately win and shut everybody's mouth.

11-23-2000, 06:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hookah Smokin Caterpillar Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 393	They're not the same, Renzo and Royce are obviously better and I have no doubt in my mind that Royce would've toyed with Izishikawa or whatever his name is. So would've Renzo. I want to know why you underrate Sakuraba. Because you think he'd lose to "middleweights" like Tito? I don't understand how anyone can not think he's the best right now. You can hate him all you want, doesn't stop him from being an amazing fighter right now. I want to know why you think Ryan can beat a bigger, more experienced Sakuraba. Ryan WILL fight off of his back and not the other way around, so Sak will again dominate the guard like he knows how. If he can dominate Royce's, he can definatly dominate Ryan's. Thats not saying all Gracies are the same, its saying that I believe that Ryan's guard can't be as good as Royce's. Sak also has a hot streak going for him and he's confident. I just gave you why I think Sak will win, now tell me why you think Ryan can __________________ "Living is easy with eyes closed, Misunderstanding all you see, Its getting hard to be someone but it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me..." - Lennon, John

11-23-2000, 06:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
keithws Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Union City, CA Posts: 221	If there's one thing that's consistent in NHB! Japanese pro wrestlers have been kicking the shit out of Gracies and BJJ fighters: Sak over Royce Sak over Royler Sak over Renzo Kondo over riberio (the best BJJ man) Kondo over the the 99 BJJ champion in the UfC The sad truth is, Ryan has no prayer. All the bull!t about aggressiveness and punching ability plays into the promoters hands. They know Ryan has the name but not the game. Sh!t, you put me against an inferior opponent and I'll look like a world beater also. Pride gets the best of both worlds once again. Their superstar gets an easy fight and they don't get criticized for protecting Sak, cause he's fighting a Gracie. BTW: hookah, I think coleman beats Vov everytime. His takedowns are great and he's developed an excellent ground 'n' pound attack. His body shots were fantastic in the last pride..... __________________ "As long as they stick with fighting BJJ world champions, the japanese will be fine."

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