Big Guy Against Small Guy - Page 2

Sean Dempsey · 09-17-2003, 12:59 AM

I like what bhothak said.

I'd give MUCH more respect to mental discipline, pain threshold, amount of courage, and just testicular fortitude before size and strength and "bigness".

And there is little corolation between discipline/courage and size/strength.

"Little guys fight til they're burger."

ryanhall · 09-17-2003, 02:07 AM

I'm not sure why people use the Gracies as an excuse to justify the claim that grappling is the best range for a smaller fighter to defeat a larger one. It is true that size is just one attribute, but it can be an important one. Grappling is the art of manhandling an opponent, whether you use skill in doing it or not. This means that size is a factor, as is strength. Tom Yum is correct, though, as strength isn't usually much of an issue unless the disparity is huge.

However, the fact that Royce or Rickson Gracie can beat opponents much larger than themselves is really immaterial. They have been training from the cradle up to kick your ass, so their skill level is incredible. But what is YOUR skill level? Can YOU really do what they can do? Almost certainly, the answer is 'no.' Is it GJJ that allows them to torch everyone, or is it the fact that they have trained hard their entire lives, and GJJ is just a very solid method of delivering that skill? This is why I don't believe in an 'ultimate martial art.' There are good ones and there are great fighters. Put the two together, and you have someone who will be hard to beat. Period.

In a ring setting, I find it difficult to bet against a high-ranking GJJ player, as they have all day and all night to wait for an opening to submit you once you are on the ground. In a real confrontation, however, you don't have all day, and you may need to get up very quickly.

Sean Dempsey · 09-17-2003, 02:32 AM

/shrug

I ain't getting any bigger or taller, so I'll just work with what I have.

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They have been training from the cradle up to kick your ass, so their skill level is incredible. But what is YOUR skill level? Can YOU really do what they can do? Almost certainly, the answer is 'no.

I absolutley cannot do what the Gracies do.

And probably neither can the guy across from me.

number18 · 09-17-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by ryanhall
They have been training from the cradle up to kick your ass, so their skill level is incredible.

That line. Is hilarious.

ryanhall · 09-17-2003, 02:02 PM

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That line. Is hilarious.

I have my moments.

09-17-2003, 12:59 AM	#16 (permalink)
Sean Dempsey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 274 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I like what bhothak said. I'd give MUCH more respect to mental discipline, pain threshold, amount of courage, and just testicular fortitude before size and strength and "bigness". And there is little corolation between discipline/courage and size/strength. "Little guys fight til they're burger." __________________ ...making $70,000 a year in pure PROFIT like I am right now from my full time career in Information Technology as a Programmer... - GuardMaster Make up to 7 dollars a year PROFIT like I do right now as a Submission Grappling Joint Relocator! - Sean Dempsey

09-17-2003, 02:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not sure why people use the Gracies as an excuse to justify the claim that grappling is the best range for a smaller fighter to defeat a larger one. It is true that size is just one attribute, but it can be an important one. Grappling is the art of manhandling an opponent, whether you use skill in doing it or not. This means that size is a factor, as is strength. Tom Yum is correct, though, as strength isn't usually much of an issue unless the disparity is huge. However, the fact that Royce or Rickson Gracie can beat opponents much larger than themselves is really immaterial. They have been training from the cradle up to kick your ass, so their skill level is incredible. But what is YOUR skill level? Can YOU really do what they can do? Almost certainly, the answer is 'no.' Is it GJJ that allows them to torch everyone, or is it the fact that they have trained hard their entire lives, and GJJ is just a very solid method of delivering that skill? This is why I don't believe in an 'ultimate martial art.' There are good ones and there are great fighters. Put the two together, and you have someone who will be hard to beat. Period. In a ring setting, I find it difficult to bet against a high-ranking GJJ player, as they have all day and all night to wait for an opening to submit you once you are on the ground. In a real confrontation, however, you don't have all day, and you may need to get up very quickly. __________________ "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

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