Yet another armbar questoin

Bjjexpertise@be · 09-24-2003, 07:07 PM

Hey there i'm back. I was grappling with a few buddies the other day and decided to try an armbar on him. I got in the correct position and everything but his arm was crooked.Yes crooked. His arm was at an right angle with hisfist pointing in the same direction as his head. What am i doing wrong?

platinum_angel · 09-24-2003, 08:24 PM

lol. uhhhhhhhh bend the opposite direction than his head.........don't know

Mr. Heel Hook · 09-24-2003, 09:56 PM

Sit back up and and reglue it to your chest. Then sit back down.

MrPoopy · 09-24-2003, 09:58 PM

Sounds like you didn't have enough of his arm. If you'd had a lot of his arm then it wouldn't matter if it was bent coz you could just straighten it back out.

Bjjexpertise@be · 09-25-2003, 09:00 AM

I have alot of his arm. I just don't know what i'm doing wrong. And yes mr heel hook thats what i do, i sit up a bit and try again. But i find this time consuming. It's just a pain in the a..... butt.(in schoolm, can't cuss)

falcon3624 · 09-25-2003, 01:36 PM

Yo, yo, yo I thought I heard someone say my name. Back once again. Haven't been around in a while cuz it's almost deer season and I had more pressing issues at hand.

I have seen people do the armbars different ways and some just work better than others. When you grab the guys arm where are you grabbing at and what part of your arm are you using? When I go for the armbar I just wrap the arm around and start with my forearm against theirs and then slide on down until I have my forearm to their wrist. If you are grabbing with your hand on their arm it is likely that they will be able to bend the arm before you can complete the lock.

The whole trick with an armbar is to trap the arm so it can't go sideways and so he can't pull it back out.

Hope that helps.

Mr. Heel Hook · 09-25-2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
I have alot of his arm. I just don't know what i'm doing wrong. And yes mr heel hook thats what i do, i sit up a bit and try again. But i find this time consuming. It's just a pain in the a..... butt.(in schoolm, can't cuss)

Time consuming?

Perhaps.

How it's done if you need to get a better lock on a loose one?

Yes.

If it takes a few extra moments, thats fine. Sometimes it just works out that way.

falcon3624 · 09-25-2003, 03:40 PM

What's the difference if it takes an extra moment anyhow? I don't know how many clean armbars all of you have seen with people that know what they are doing but when you have two people that know anything about grappling most of the time it ends up in a pulling contest to get the arm extended once you move into position.

Mr. Heel Hook · 09-25-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by falcon3624
What's the difference if it takes an extra moment anyhow? I don't know how many clean armbars all of you have seen with people that know what they are doing but when you have two people that know anything about grappling most of the time it ends up in a pulling contest to get the arm extended once you move into position.

Exactly.

Great Sage · 09-25-2003, 03:55 PM

A simple rule for armbar is "thumbs up." When you seize the arm, do so in a way that the thumb is facing "UP" then squeeze your knees together as you raise your hip. Simple enough?...

Bjjexpertise@be · 09-25-2003, 06:17 PM

Quote:

I have seen people do the armbars different ways and some just work better than others. When you grab the guys arm where are you grabbing at and what part of your arm are you using? When I go for the armbar I just wrap the arm around and start with my forearm against theirs and then slide on down until I have my forearm to their wrist. If you are grabbing with your hand on their arm it is likely that they will be able to bend the arm before you can complete the lock.

There you are. Been looking all over for ya. Well anyway that's what i did. Even though i did that his arm was still bent. So i had to twist his arm to the right abit before i had to do it. You guys don't have problems like this?

gaittec · 09-26-2003, 01:13 AM

Take the extra time to get it right. What's the problem? You got muffins in the oven?

A good tight armbar is a result of positional dominance most of the time.
If you rush it, you will often be too loose to finish. Don't go for it until you have the following positional points:

Control his arm between the wrist and elbow before you sit back. Extend (stretch) his arm straight and keep it tight to your body before you sit back. Have you weight on him so that your crotch and /or butt is tight against his armpit before you sit back. Get your second foot over his head and knees squeezed together before you sit back(lean toward his knees while keeping your weight on him to accomplish this).

Arm no can bend if done correct!

bhp02 · 09-26-2003, 05:52 AM

you basically have to arch your belly against
the locked / extended elbow. Sometimes it
is not easy to do. You can also ,, that is
if you get a chance, place his arm under neath
one of your arms and the side of your chest
while locking his head with your leg.
and you can apply the forearm against the back
of his extended elbow.... here you can really
overextend the locked elbow . It is like a front
foot lock position except his elbow would
be xtended and facing the back of your body.

MrPoopy · 09-26-2003, 07:13 PM

hook his arm with yours. his arm should stay in the crook of your arm. Don't grab his arm with yours hands. just hook it with one arm to keep control. Even if it's bent, if you have it hooked with yours it will be easy to get it back, and then you can use your other hand to twist his hand to get the thumb up if you need to.

When his arm is bent, is it bent up or down?

09-24-2003, 07:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bjjexpertise@be Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: florida Posts: 1,852 Groans: 4 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Yet another armbar questoin Hey there i'm back. I was grappling with a few buddies the other day and decided to try an armbar on him. I got in the correct position and everything but his arm was crooked.Yes crooked. His arm was at an right angle with hisfist pointing in the same direction as his head. What am i doing wrong? __________________ Mike Brewer's 2008 Athleticon Challenge!!! 45563 Pushups Completed 45563 Situps Completed

09-24-2003, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
platinum_angel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: heaven and hell Posts: 714 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	lol. uhhhhhhhh bend the opposite direction than his head.........don't know __________________ In order to experience true peace you must first overcome true hardship. remember the wind, for it flows through all of us. I like smeg-ma chips. for all those who i offend............i don't give a shit

09-24-2003, 09:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mr. Heel Hook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pepperell MA Posts: 441 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sit back up and and reglue it to your chest. Then sit back down. __________________ "A deer admires a lion. But all the members of our family are lions. So it doesn't matter which lion I admire. " -Rener Gracie-

09-24-2003, 09:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
MrPoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ks Posts: 782 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sounds like you didn't have enough of his arm. If you'd had a lot of his arm then it wouldn't matter if it was bent coz you could just straighten it back out. __________________ MrPoopy

09-25-2003, 09:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bjjexpertise@be Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: florida Posts: 1,852 Groans: 4 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I have alot of his arm. I just don't know what i'm doing wrong. And yes mr heel hook thats what i do, i sit up a bit and try again. But i find this time consuming. It's just a pain in the a..... butt.(in schoolm, can't cuss) __________________ Mike Brewer's 2008 Athleticon Challenge!!! 45563 Pushups Completed 45563 Situps Completed

09-25-2003, 01:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yo, yo, yo I thought I heard someone say my name. Back once again. Haven't been around in a while cuz it's almost deer season and I had more pressing issues at hand. I have seen people do the armbars different ways and some just work better than others. When you grab the guys arm where are you grabbing at and what part of your arm are you using? When I go for the armbar I just wrap the arm around and start with my forearm against theirs and then slide on down until I have my forearm to their wrist. If you are grabbing with your hand on their arm it is likely that they will be able to bend the arm before you can complete the lock. The whole trick with an armbar is to trap the arm so it can't go sideways and so he can't pull it back out. Hope that helps.

09-25-2003, 03:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What's the difference if it takes an extra moment anyhow? I don't know how many clean armbars all of you have seen with people that know what they are doing but when you have two people that know anything about grappling most of the time it ends up in a pulling contest to get the arm extended once you move into position.

09-25-2003, 03:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Great Sage Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Nowhere, USA... Posts: 510 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A simple rule for armbar is "thumbs up." When you seize the arm, do so in a way that the thumb is facing "UP" then squeeze your knees together as you raise your hip. Simple enough?... __________________ The sage experiences without abstraction, And accomplishes without action; He accepts the ebb and flow of things, Nurtures them, but does not own them, And lives, but does not dwell.

09-26-2003, 01:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
gaittec Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Knoxville,TN Posts: 59 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Take the extra time to get it right. What's the problem? You got muffins in the oven? A good tight armbar is a result of positional dominance most of the time. If you rush it, you will often be too loose to finish. Don't go for it until you have the following positional points: Control his arm between the wrist and elbow before you sit back. Extend (stretch) his arm straight and keep it tight to your body before you sit back. Have you weight on him so that your crotch and /or butt is tight against his armpit before you sit back. Get your second foot over his head and knees squeezed together before you sit back(lean toward his knees while keeping your weight on him to accomplish this). Arm no can bend if done correct!

09-26-2003, 05:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
bhp02 Novice Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	you basically have to arch your belly against the locked / extended elbow. Sometimes it is not easy to do. You can also ,, that is if you get a chance, place his arm under neath one of your arms and the side of your chest while locking his head with your leg. and you can apply the forearm against the back of his extended elbow.... here you can really overextend the locked elbow . It is like a front foot lock position except his elbow would be xtended and facing the back of your body.

09-26-2003, 07:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
MrPoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ks Posts: 782 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hook his arm with yours. his arm should stay in the crook of your arm. Don't grab his arm with yours hands. just hook it with one arm to keep control. Even if it's bent, if you have it hooked with yours it will be easy to get it back, and then you can use your other hand to twist his hand to get the thumb up if you need to. When his arm is bent, is it bent up or down? __________________ MrPoopy

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