The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Great Sage · 09-26-2003, 10:26 AM

Hey, my BJJ guys...

I was just wondering how much resistance you apply during technique drills? My instructor usually tells us to use 80% resistance, then let the guy finish his technique. I tend to agree with this, since your partner learns how to finish his techniques... In live drills, we all go 110% ofcourse.

However, last night we were doing technique drills and I was partnered up a very new guy (his first lesson). I let him do his thing, blah blah blah.. Then he said to me, "Is that all you've got?!" In a sort of mocking way. Next thing you know, I've got knee on stomach (solar plexus - the painful version) and this guy's squirming like a pinned roach. I gave him a very hard time after that, but still let him finish his techniques... He was quiet after that.

kengar · 09-26-2003, 11:42 AM

1% - 80%
When working on a new technique or with a new person you need to start off slow so they can see how its done. After you understand the workings then you can go against more resistance. You can learn something if it starts full speed. And I'd say you did the right thing by showing the guy his error in judgement.

Great Sage · 09-26-2003, 12:50 PM

The thing is, this guy was trying to take my head off too! Yeah, he was going all out on me, just on technique skills... So I decided to teach him a lesson. I remember when I first started, ALL the guys gradually worked me in... Not this bozo.

doubleouch · 09-26-2003, 01:16 PM

This is sometimes confusing to people. Here at the straight blast gym we do it this way.
We train 3 different levels:
Introduction
Isolation
Integration

Introduction: At this stage we are learning the mechanics of a technique. Very little resistance.
Isolation: We already know the mechanics and are training the technique against progressive resistance. A good rule of thumb is that your partner should be able to get the technique off every few tries. Adjust your resistance accordingly.
Integration: Train the technique in sparring against full resistance.

Using this method works very well for us and keeps people from getting confused on when and where to use resistance.

Benjamin Dover · 09-26-2003, 01:23 PM

Maybe you really can't take it, LOL!!! You shold have choked him into unconsciousness and screamed, "is that all you got!!!". Seriously, he is obviously dealing with some confidence issues. He feels some sort of empowerment while submitting. Perhaps his motive for taking martial arts is not for self defense.

Szczepankiewicz · 09-26-2003, 01:24 PM

Excellent Post DO.

Can I copy that?

Great Sage · 09-26-2003, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doubleouch
This is sometimes confusing to people. Here at the straight blast gym we do it this way.
We train 3 different levels:
Introduction
Isolation
Integration

Introduction: At this stage we are learning the mechanics of a technique. Very little resistance.
Isolation: We already know the mechanics and are training the technique against progressive resistance. A good rule of thumb is that your partner should be able to get the technique off every few tries. Adjust your resistance accordingly.
Integration: Train the technique in sparring against full resistance.

Using this method works very well for us and keeps people from getting confused on when and where to use resistance.

Hey, those are really nice concepts... You don't mind if I work them into my training do you? Either way, thanks.

MrPoopy · 09-26-2003, 07:19 PM

F the new guy all you can, coz he won't be new for long.

Cain · 09-26-2003, 08:08 PM

hmm, we have a few people at the gym that just _has_ to be the "tough guy" all the time.. "exhausted? me? neh.. never!!" "painfull? neh.. never" "ofcourse i tapped out.. just to be nice to you, it wasn't really painfull at all"

and so on.. and they always has to muscle and try to win all the time.. leaving themselves learning little or no technique.. bad for them

MrPoopy · 09-26-2003, 09:35 PM

Cain, i've dealt with those types before. But I never let it stop me from grappling with them. Even if they could out muscle me and win, I didn't care.

Cain · 09-26-2003, 09:47 PM

i know.. i just try to stick to my tasks.. work with technique.. I don't care if get tapped out 90% of the times at practice.. as long as i learn the things i am to learn.. and don't tap when the mat is on for real...

09-26-2003, 10:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Great Sage Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Nowhere, USA... Posts: 510 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	How Hard Should YOU Resist?... Hey, my BJJ guys... I was just wondering how much resistance you apply during technique drills? My instructor usually tells us to use 80% resistance, then let the guy finish his technique. I tend to agree with this, since your partner learns how to finish his techniques... In live drills, we all go 110% ofcourse. However, last night we were doing technique drills and I was partnered up a very new guy (his first lesson). I let him do his thing, blah blah blah.. Then he said to me, "Is that all you've got?!" In a sort of mocking way. Next thing you know, I've got knee on stomach (solar plexus - the painful version) and this guy's squirming like a pinned roach. I gave him a very hard time after that, but still let him finish his techniques... He was quiet after that. __________________ The sage experiences without abstraction, And accomplishes without action; He accepts the ebb and flow of things, Nurtures them, but does not own them, And lives, but does not dwell.

09-26-2003, 11:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
kengar Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ky. Posts: 422 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	1% - 80% When working on a new technique or with a new person you need to start off slow so they can see how its done. After you understand the workings then you can go against more resistance. You can learn something if it starts full speed. And I'd say you did the right thing by showing the guy his error in judgement. __________________ Hummm.....

09-26-2003, 12:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
Great Sage Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Nowhere, USA... Posts: 510 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The thing is, this guy was trying to take my head off too! Yeah, he was going all out on me, just on technique skills... So I decided to teach him a lesson. I remember when I first started, ALL the guys gradually worked me in... Not this bozo. __________________ The sage experiences without abstraction, And accomplishes without action; He accepts the ebb and flow of things, Nurtures them, but does not own them, And lives, but does not dwell.

09-26-2003, 01:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Benjamin Dover Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 111 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe you really can't take it, LOL!!! You shold have choked him into unconsciousness and screamed, "is that all you got!!!". Seriously, he is obviously dealing with some confidence issues. He feels some sort of empowerment while submitting. Perhaps his motive for taking martial arts is not for self defense. __________________ Master your rage before your rage masters you - Chinese fortune cookie

09-26-2003, 07:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
MrPoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ks Posts: 782 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	F the new guy all you can, coz he won't be new for long. __________________ MrPoopy

09-26-2003, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
doubleouch Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: portland, or Posts: 418 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is sometimes confusing to people. Here at the straight blast gym we do it this way. We train 3 different levels: Introduction Isolation Integration Introduction: At this stage we are learning the mechanics of a technique. Very little resistance. Isolation: We already know the mechanics and are training the technique against progressive resistance. A good rule of thumb is that your partner should be able to get the technique off every few tries. Adjust your resistance accordingly. Integration: Train the technique in sparring against full resistance. Using this method works very well for us and keeps people from getting confused on when and where to use resistance.

09-26-2003, 01:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Excellent Post DO. Can I copy that?

09-26-2003, 08:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cain Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 388 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmm, we have a few people at the gym that just _has_ to be the "tough guy" all the time.. "exhausted? me? neh.. never!!" "painfull? neh.. never" "ofcourse i tapped out.. just to be nice to you, it wasn't really painfull at all" and so on.. and they always has to muscle and try to win all the time.. leaving themselves learning little or no technique.. bad for them __________________ any given fighter can beat any given fighter on any given day.. so.. what are you waiting for Rickson, I'm here..

09-26-2003, 09:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
MrPoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ks Posts: 782 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cain, i've dealt with those types before. But I never let it stop me from grappling with them. Even if they could out muscle me and win, I didn't care. __________________ MrPoopy

09-26-2003, 09:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cain Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 388 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i know.. i just try to stick to my tasks.. work with technique.. I don't care if get tapped out 90% of the times at practice.. as long as i learn the things i am to learn.. and don't tap when the mat is on for real... __________________ any given fighter can beat any given fighter on any given day.. so.. what are you waiting for Rickson, I'm here..

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