Wearing a Gi for the first time... - Page 2

jules · 10-19-2003, 04:17 AM

what i have noticed about wearing a Gi is that wearing a Gi improves your defence or forces you to improve your defence. It's much harder to slip out of moves when you are in a gi.. Besides unless you live in some hot arsed nation on the equator you are not going to fight people just a pair of shorts on. People wear pants and jackets during the fall and winter.

IPON · 10-19-2003, 12:03 PM

MTF - "I would have to disagree with the statement you made that it has little to do with street effectiveness,because in fact it has alot to do with it."

Again I meant no disrepect to your instructor my point was not that your instructor was wrong. I was simply going an extra step to say that pankration or combat wreslting would not wear a GI for any reason becuase there is no reason to wear a Gi. For example if you were taking JJJ or BJJ and the instructor said we train with Gi and no Gi and gave the same answer as your instructor. The makes sense because they wear Gis, but in pankration there is no reason for the Gi, that was my point.

Regarding the use of the Gi I thought I explained the reason for judogi but look at the responses from jared and jules

Regardig the jacket issue: A true grappler can shoot very quickly you would not have time to pull someone jacket over thier head, honestly I don't even understand how you could in thoery, becuase if you had that much control then you could change the persons direction "Toro, Toro" Aslo, playing devils advocate, that .5 secs of blindness would be maeningless to taking you down, the point is when a grappler tounches you the game is over. If you have not yet developed that level of senitvity you should focus more.

Ultamitely, I am just offering a differnt perspective, if the jacket thing works for you fine, we can agree to disagree.

falcon3624 · 10-20-2003, 10:31 AM

Not all people do BJJ for self-defense. I personally like to think of it more as a sport than self-defense. I enjoy getting out there and rolling just for fun. I guess when you think of it like a sport the gi is kinda like the uniform of any other sport.

jules · 10-22-2003, 01:49 AM

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A true grappler can shoot very quickly you would not have time to pull someone jacket over thier head, honestly I don't even understand how you could in thoery, becuase if you had that much control then you could change the persons direction "Toro, Toro" Aslo, playing devils advocate, that .5 secs of blindness would be maeningless to taking you down, the point is when a grappler tounches you the game is over.

first of all how many "true grapplers" are there in real life? Second, takes you down, so what? He is in your guard and you can start to use his jacket for gripping on to him and chokes.

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 07:55 AM

It doesn't matter if you fight gi or no gi really. Each has it's advantages and each has it's downfalls. I prefer the gi myself because like I said I am more of a sport grappler.

MuayThaiFighter · 10-22-2003, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by falcon3624
It doesn't matter if you fight gi or no gi really. Each has it's advantages and each has it's downfalls. I prefer the gi myself because like I said I am more of a sport grappler.

As far as grappling is concerned I'm more of a sport grappler too but I still would rather grapple with no gi on,I'd rather wear a school T-Shirt.

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 08:26 AM

I don't think that school T-shirt would last very long with a grappler.

IPON · 10-22-2003, 08:44 AM

Jules - Wrestling (freestlye folkstyle greco roman) is a very big sport in the US, I am generalizing but, I would say that most high schools and colleges (even 2 year) have wrestling programs so there are alot.

I usally do 2 things when training, 1 assume that everyone is a skilled figher and 2.that everyone is at least as good as me and probably better. I am not saying that I am the ultimate warrior but this keeps me grounded I don't mean train to combat every MA style.

Regarding the guard, is sounds nice, but remember I said a take down can also be a double leg slam to the ground, believe me if you hit concrete you will not be think guard if you are still awake.

Also, I think you are asuming that if somone takes you down that they are goining down with you, I use take downs all the time, but I don't committ myself to the ground.

The point I was trying to make about the jacket was more about teh philosophy, there may be instances that using that technquie will work, heck I may do it depending on the situation, although that it would probably take less time to throw. Intentially going to the ground in a fight is not good philosophy, in general, but there situations where I may do that and have in the past. I am not trying to argue just giving a different perspective......like I said to MTF we can agree to disagree, cool

MuayThaiFighter · 10-22-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by falcon3624
I don't think that school T-shirt would last very long with a grappler.

Well in Pankration we wear same schoo T-shirt for both submission wrestling and muaythai and our shirts last a long time and submission wrestling is a form of grappling.

But then again as I stated before when we wrestle we always grab the person not the shirt he /she is wearing regardless of techniques and submissions we do as you would usually do in a real fight.

Toudiyama[NL] · 10-22-2003, 09:06 AM

Then again chances are that in real life someone WILL grab the shirt

IPON · 10-22-2003, 09:08 AM

MTF is correct, t-shirts are normal gear for wresltling. Judo and Jujitsu focus some of the throws with utlizing the judogi, but the wrestler focusing on the the body... (wait I am not sure that sounds right....but you know what I mean).

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by MuayThaiFighter

But then again as I stated before when we wrestle we always grab the person not the shirt he /she is wearing regardless of techniques and submissions we do as you would usually do in a real fight.

Well, that sounds nice but in BJJ we grab a hold of anything we can get whether it be the person, a shirt, a gi, pants, underwear, etc. I get a hold of any article of clothing I can that will help me control the other person and I don't see how a real grappler could say they never grab another persons clothes for control.

I look at it this way: clothes are a disadvantage because they can be used against me so I have to assume the other person will use this against me and I should do the same. I am all about gaining an advantage when I can.

jules · 10-22-2003, 01:42 PM

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Jules - Wrestling (freestlye folkstyle greco roman) is a very big sport in the US, I am generalizing but, I would say that most high schools and colleges (even 2 year) have wrestling programs so there are alot.

Dude I am from the states(was born in Flushing, moved cross teh GW to Edgewater then college to philly). Yes many highschools and colleges have wrestling teams, but then again many highschools and colleges have debate teams also. Get my drift? Heck you are from NYC you know about the bubble jackets and the leather coats that people be wearing. People wear clothes in real life. Might as well get used to fighting people wearing clothes (if you want to go around fighting people that is).

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Regarding the guard, is sounds nice, but remember I said a take down can also be a double leg slam to the ground, believe me if you hit concrete you will not be think guard if you are still awake.

Heck the takedown sounds nice but what makes you think you can pick up and slam a BJJ guy? Arguments like these never end. You could be right and so could I.

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The point I was trying to make about the jacket was more about teh philosophy, there may be instances that using that technquie will work, heck I may do it depending on the situation, although that it would probably take less time to throw.

I guess it depends on the collar choke, some ones you can crank on faster than a Guitine...

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Intentially going to the ground in a fight is not good philosophy, in general, but there situations where I may do that and have in the past.

I agree with you 100%. And another reason I like collar chokes so much is that they are so easily used standing up.

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I am not trying to argue just giving a different perspective......like I said to MTF we can agree to disagree, cool

Brotha we need more people like you in this forum.

Sean Dempsey · 10-22-2003, 03:23 PM

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Heck the takedown sounds nice but what makes you think you can pick up and slam a BJJ guy?

It's the merry-go-round.

BJJ guys, first of all, train lots of take downs, and take down defenses. If a BJJ purple belt were to face a "wrestler" in the "streets", it doesn't mean that automatically they are gonna get double legged and slammed to the ground. Just as easily the wrestler could be clinched and end up on his back with the BJJ guy's knee across his chest, seconds away from an armbar.

People who don't wear gi's talk trash on them, people who do wear gi's talk about how much they love them. It doesn't matter, I tap guys wearing gi's and I tap guys wearing shirts.

You can wear a tutu for all I care. You still have arteries in your neck and cartlidge in your joints.

(just don't bring the pocketknife or broken glass!)

Karenstar · 10-22-2003, 05:03 PM

I know stupid questions, but what is a GI?

10-19-2003, 12:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
IPON Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,568 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MTF - "I would have to disagree with the statement you made that it has little to do with street effectiveness,because in fact it has alot to do with it." Again I meant no disrepect to your instructor my point was not that your instructor was wrong. I was simply going an extra step to say that pankration or combat wreslting would not wear a GI for any reason becuase there is no reason to wear a Gi. For example if you were taking JJJ or BJJ and the instructor said we train with Gi and no Gi and gave the same answer as your instructor. The makes sense because they wear Gis, but in pankration there is no reason for the Gi, that was my point. Regarding the use of the Gi I thought I explained the reason for judogi but look at the responses from jared and jules Regardig the jacket issue: A true grappler can shoot very quickly you would not have time to pull someone jacket over thier head, honestly I don't even understand how you could in thoery, becuase if you had that much control then you could change the persons direction "Toro, Toro" Aslo, playing devils advocate, that .5 secs of blindness would be maeningless to taking you down, the point is when a grappler tounches you the game is over. If you have not yet developed that level of senitvity you should focus more. Ultamitely, I am just offering a differnt perspective, if the jacket thing works for you fine, we can agree to disagree. __________________ A person who is said to be proficient in the arts is like a fool. Because of his foolishness in concerning himself with just one thing, he thinks of nothing else and thus becomes proficient. - Hagarkure

10-22-2003, 08:44 AM	#23 (permalink)
IPON Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,568 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jules - Wrestling (freestlye folkstyle greco roman) is a very big sport in the US, I am generalizing but, I would say that most high schools and colleges (even 2 year) have wrestling programs so there are alot. I usally do 2 things when training, 1 assume that everyone is a skilled figher and 2.that everyone is at least as good as me and probably better. I am not saying that I am the ultimate warrior but this keeps me grounded I don't mean train to combat every MA style. Regarding the guard, is sounds nice, but remember I said a take down can also be a double leg slam to the ground, believe me if you hit concrete you will not be think guard if you are still awake. Also, I think you are asuming that if somone takes you down that they are goining down with you, I use take downs all the time, but I don't committ myself to the ground. The point I was trying to make about the jacket was more about teh philosophy, there may be instances that using that technquie will work, heck I may do it depending on the situation, although that it would probably take less time to throw. Intentially going to the ground in a fight is not good philosophy, in general, but there situations where I may do that and have in the past. I am not trying to argue just giving a different perspective......like I said to MTF we can agree to disagree, cool __________________ A person who is said to be proficient in the arts is like a fool. Because of his foolishness in concerning himself with just one thing, he thinks of nothing else and thus becomes proficient. - Hagarkure

10-22-2003, 09:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
Toudiyama[NL] Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Zaandam, Netherlands Posts: 1,389 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Then again chances are that in real life someone WILL grab the shirt __________________

10-22-2003, 09:08 AM	#26 (permalink)
IPON Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,568 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MTF is correct, t-shirts are normal gear for wresltling. Judo and Jujitsu focus some of the throws with utlizing the judogi, but the wrestler focusing on the the body... (wait I am not sure that sounds right....but you know what I mean). __________________ A person who is said to be proficient in the arts is like a fool. Because of his foolishness in concerning himself with just one thing, he thinks of nothing else and thus becomes proficient. - Hagarkure

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10-19-2003, 04:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
jules Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 474 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	what i have noticed about wearing a Gi is that wearing a Gi improves your defence or forces you to improve your defence. It's much harder to slip out of moves when you are in a gi.. Besides unless you live in some hot arsed nation on the equator you are not going to fight people just a pair of shorts on. People wear pants and jackets during the fall and winter.

10-20-2003, 10:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not all people do BJJ for self-defense. I personally like to think of it more as a sport than self-defense. I enjoy getting out there and rolling just for fun. I guess when you think of it like a sport the gi is kinda like the uniform of any other sport.

10-22-2003, 07:55 AM	#20 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It doesn't matter if you fight gi or no gi really. Each has it's advantages and each has it's downfalls. I prefer the gi myself because like I said I am more of a sport grappler.

10-22-2003, 08:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think that school T-shirt would last very long with a grappler.

10-22-2003, 05:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
Karenstar Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 29 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know stupid questions, but what is a GI?

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