Armbar

[Sean Dempsey]

bone does break. Logically we can infer from here that you can break the elbow.

Which bone will be breaking? The Radius, the Ulna, or the Humerus? Those are the 3 bones that make up the "arm".

I don't think either 3 will break in an armbar, I think the connective tissue (cartlidge, ligaments, tendons, fascia) in the elbow joint will break and tear far far before the actual bones of the arm will break. More than likely you'll destroy the coronoid process.

You don't break someone's arm bones in an armbar, you hyperextend the elbow to extremes and destroy the connective tissues. Bone is hundreds of times more strong than the elbow joint.

Yes, "logically" we can infer that you can break the elbow. I just don't see what your "bone does break" comment has to do with it. You ain't gonna be snapping anyones humerus in an armbar, you're gonna be hyperextending the elbow joint.

I've had it done to me - my bones were fine, the connective tissue is where the damage occurs.

[Benjamin Dover]

I doubt very much that the coronoid process of the ulna would break. THe other bones in my last post will have a greater chance of fracturing before the coronoid process. But, that doesn't mean that it is not possible. If a severe armbar was applied I agree that it will fracture since the coronoid helps to resist posterior elbow subluxation.

Oh, Arsen you did say that elbow is a bone, LOL!!!

The elbow joint is made up of bone

You said this in your first post. Don't get mad at us over your ignorance. I do not mean this in a derogatory way.

[arsen]

The elbow is made out of bone, everyone right now, take your hands and feel your elbows... feel that tight solid boney structure? Could it be possible that what you are feeling is bone? The eblow consists of bone and other connective tissues and what not. what I meant in my first post is that there is bone involved in the elbow, I did not say the elbow is a bone, you are misinterpreting what i said. Furthermore have some one put you in an arm bar, have them crank it alway until you hear loud popping and cracking noises, go to the hospital get some x-rays and then tell me there aren't and broken bones.

[arsen]

Originally posted by Benjamin Dover
I doubt very much that the coronoid process of the ulna would break. THe other bones in my last post will have a greater chance of fracturing before the coronoid process. But, that doesn't mean that it is not possible. If a severe armbar was applied I agree that it will fracture since the coronoid helps to resist posterior elbow subluxation.

Oh, Arsen you did say that elbow is a bone, LOL!!!



You said this in your first post. Don't get mad at us over your ignorance. I do not mean this in a derogatory way.

are you telling me there is no bone involved with the elbow structure?

[Sean Dempsey]

IF YOU BREAK YOUR ELBOW, YOU DO NOT BREAK A BONE. You can break the Radius, Ulna, or Humerus - that's it. If you're gonna be ambiguous, and then when people point things out defend your ambiguity with "you know what I meant", expect this kind of response.

That's like saying "I broke my lap" or "I broke my armpit".

[arsen]

Originally posted by Sean Dempsey
If you're gonna be ambiguous, and then when people point things out defend your ambiguity with "you know what I meant", expect this kind of response.

Its not a question about my statement being ambigous, and yes it was a vague statement. Its about people interpreting what I said the wrong way, then trying to tell me I said differently. In the case where I said the elbow is made up of bone, which as I said previously is a vague statement. Saying the eblow is made out of bone leaves room for the possibilty that there are other invovling factors in its overall structure. Not once did I ever say "The eblow is a just a bone", if it were the case that the elbow was a bone it wouldn't be able to move the way it does, it would be in a fixed position. So stop trying to tell me that I said the elbow is a bone, because I am well aware of what I said, and it is in black and white, that I did not say the elbow is a bone.

[adacas]

actually its written in more of a black and light grey if you ask me.

[MrPoopy]

There's only one bone in my body and I'm saving that for Spanky!

[Szczepankiewicz]

I think that would be properly termed as a 'bonelet' Mr. Poopy.

[MrPoopy]

it's still got your name on it you hottie moderator!

[Szczepankiewicz]

It's not long enough to have my name on it. Just put a lower case 's' on it and we'll call it good 'big guy'.

[Benjamin Dover]

Quotes from Arsen

Are you people illiterate? Where just where did I say that the the eblow is a bone? I did not say "The elbow is a bone".

The elbow joint is made up of bone

LOL!!! Get your crap together. You are calling us illiterate?!?! It's an ELBOW not an EBLOW!!!

[gregimotis]

I don't know what it does anatomically - I do know that you can hear the 'POP' from ten feet away and it's a disturbing sound. I also know my instructor can't bend either of his elbows much past 45 degrees from years of not tapping out when he should have.

There is a guy in our gym who joined specifically to learn BJJ. He was warned to 'tap as soon as it hurts' etc., but he didn't. Five months later his elbow still aches and is still weak.

Word to the wise: Armbars and kneebars and the like do not need to be tested. Joint locks don't hurt all that bad untill all the sudden... it's too to late.

[falcon3624]

If it weren't for pride we wouldn't be having this discussion. Pride is what keeps you from tapping when you know there is no way out. Pride is what keeps you from tapping when you know you are about to be seriously hurt. Pride can be a good thing but can also be a very bad thing. I have pride but not enough to make me not tap when I know injury is near.

Everyone start tapping when they are suppose to and we won't have to worry about whether or not the elbow is a bone or what kind of injuries an armbar will cause. There should be no one that gets injured like this. The only people that should be sustaining these kinds of injuries are the ones that truely deserve them.

[Sean Dempsey]

Originally posted by falcon3624
Everyone start tapping when they are suppose to and we won't have to worry about whether or not the elbow is a bone or what kind of injuries an armbar will cause. There should be no one that gets injured like this. The only people that should be sustaining these kinds of injuries are the ones that truely deserve them.

That's true, but also there are alot of times when you don't realize that you're inches away from pain.

Just last monday, I dislocated and instantly relocated my left shoulder while trying to summersault out of a weird kimura/triangla combo. It made sense in my head, but when I came around it was BAM POP POP.

Also, same roll, I got stacked BAD onto my neck and popped it 3 or 4 times in about half a second, and both my hands were trapped and I couldn't tap, so I just had to go "OH SHIT TAP TAP TAP" really loud, because there wasn't time to move my hands.

Or the other time when I had a big guy triangled and he paniced and went to stack me way to hard and way to fast, and my neck popped again about 4 times. I didn't have time to do anything, he was freaking out and just rolled me over my neck with all his strength.

Holding on through an armbar is definitley dumb, but there are times when you (and the other guy) don't realize that your just a few inches away from hyperextension, especially if you are moving faster than you should be.