Armbar - Page 3

falcon3624 · 10-21-2003, 03:32 PM

Alright I guess I am going to have to take this a different direction.

You know if everyone would spend a little more time training they wouldn't have to be so concerned about what is going to happen when they get caught in an armbar. Then again everyone is going to be caught in moves from time to time and sometimes we all get hurt because grappling is a hands on rough sport. It's up to use to decide when it is safe and when it is not and sometimes we have to experiment like Sean with the kimura he got caught in to see what the results of our actions are going to be. I am sure that after doing the spinning move to get out of the kimura the first time you won't do it again will you lol. We have to be aware of when we are going to be hurt though. That is kinda like if I see someone going for a heel hook and I just think they are going to get it I tap. Same with neck cranks and knee bars. It's not worth holding on just to prove you can take it. Trust me, it's not worth it.

bhp02 · 10-21-2003, 07:54 PM

damage to any joint can last a lifetime,
and it takes more time to heal.
In alot of cases, you never fully recover
from elbow /shoulder, and knee joint injuries and they
become arthritic later in life.
Damage to bone such as a break
is easier to recover from.
Just remember this before you do any demonstrations
on someone. My biggest injury which I feel every day
was to my shoulder from a novice trying to demonstrate
a throw on to my shoulder.
I'd rather get thrown in a real competition.

falcon3624 · 10-21-2003, 08:22 PM

A couple months ago I got caught on the bad side of a keylock and got my shoulder dislocated. It has been six months now and it still hurts me everytime I workout on weights.

Apoth · 10-21-2003, 08:31 PM

The worst I've ever gotten was a strained ligament in my left shoulder from a throw that I landed funny on. It killed me for about 2 months every time I'd work out or try to do any sort of bench press.

My Ju jitsu instructor got much worse. While rolling with another student, he got the student in his guard. The student is a great guy but hadn't been in class for a while so he was kind of nervous free-rolling in front of everyone. He went back to hook the foot, squeezed it and there was this nice *pop* as some of the tendons tore.

One of my assistant coaches in my MT class actually managed to pop his achilles while sparring. Not really joint lock-related, but still horrifying.

falcon3624 · 10-21-2003, 11:01 PM

I tore a guys knee one night with a heel hook and that was nothing pretty either. Couldn't see it when it happened because he tried an armbar and I rolled him into a reversal so I was facing the other way. The guy never tapped and then I felt something give......not a good feeling........not as bad for me as it was for him though.

I have seen several people with their knees torn on heel hooks and I had mine twisted pretty good one time. Some moves just are too dangerous and that's why I tap immediately now when I see they are going to get something like a heel hook.

Benjamin Dover · 10-22-2003, 12:07 PM

Falcon...I have been grappling for awihle now. I have never heard of so many injuries out of one school?!

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 12:43 PM

One of the many reasons that I left and found a new school. I train in one of Leonardo Xavier's schools now and it's much better.

10-22-2003, 12:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
Benjamin Dover Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 111 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Falcon...I have been grappling for awihle now. I have never heard of so many injuries out of one school?! __________________ Master your rage before your rage masters you - Chinese fortune cookie

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10-21-2003, 03:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alright I guess I am going to have to take this a different direction. You know if everyone would spend a little more time training they wouldn't have to be so concerned about what is going to happen when they get caught in an armbar. Then again everyone is going to be caught in moves from time to time and sometimes we all get hurt because grappling is a hands on rough sport. It's up to use to decide when it is safe and when it is not and sometimes we have to experiment like Sean with the kimura he got caught in to see what the results of our actions are going to be. I am sure that after doing the spinning move to get out of the kimura the first time you won't do it again will you lol. We have to be aware of when we are going to be hurt though. That is kinda like if I see someone going for a heel hook and I just think they are going to get it I tap. Same with neck cranks and knee bars. It's not worth holding on just to prove you can take it. Trust me, it's not worth it.

10-21-2003, 07:54 PM	#32 (permalink)
bhp02 Novice Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	damage to any joint can last a lifetime, and it takes more time to heal. In alot of cases, you never fully recover from elbow /shoulder, and knee joint injuries and they become arthritic later in life. Damage to bone such as a break is easier to recover from. Just remember this before you do any demonstrations on someone. My biggest injury which I feel every day was to my shoulder from a novice trying to demonstrate a throw on to my shoulder. I'd rather get thrown in a real competition.

10-21-2003, 08:22 PM	#33 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A couple months ago I got caught on the bad side of a keylock and got my shoulder dislocated. It has been six months now and it still hurts me everytime I workout on weights.

10-21-2003, 08:31 PM	#34 (permalink)
Apoth Novice Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 38 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The worst I've ever gotten was a strained ligament in my left shoulder from a throw that I landed funny on. It killed me for about 2 months every time I'd work out or try to do any sort of bench press. My Ju jitsu instructor got much worse. While rolling with another student, he got the student in his guard. The student is a great guy but hadn't been in class for a while so he was kind of nervous free-rolling in front of everyone. He went back to hook the foot, squeezed it and there was this nice pop as some of the tendons tore. One of my assistant coaches in my MT class actually managed to pop his achilles while sparring. Not really joint lock-related, but still horrifying.

10-21-2003, 11:01 PM	#35 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I tore a guys knee one night with a heel hook and that was nothing pretty either. Couldn't see it when it happened because he tried an armbar and I rolled him into a reversal so I was facing the other way. The guy never tapped and then I felt something give......not a good feeling........not as bad for me as it was for him though. I have seen several people with their knees torn on heel hooks and I had mine twisted pretty good one time. Some moves just are too dangerous and that's why I tap immediately now when I see they are going to get something like a heel hook.

10-22-2003, 12:43 PM	#37 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	One of the many reasons that I left and found a new school. I train in one of Leonardo Xavier's schools now and it's much better.

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