Armbar

Turing · 10-19-2003, 06:57 PM

What does an armbar do, and what can it do if you apply a ton of pressure? My friends say it feels like I'm going to break their arm, but to me it doesn't seem like thats what its gonna do. It seems like it would like hyperextend your elbow, pull/rip your bicep, or dislocate your elbow. Anyone know what you're doing, anatomically, that causes pain, and what you'd do, anatomically, if you pulled SUPER hard.

Mr. Miyagi · 10-19-2003, 07:05 PM

Are you trolling?
Hyperextending would be the lowest amount of damage a properly applied armbar could inflict. You don't 'pull' on an arbar, you are bending his arm past the point that it extends to and it is pressured to bend to the breaking point at the elbow.

adacas · 10-19-2003, 07:25 PM

hyperextend his elbow until it breaks and he loses the use of his arm and the ask him if he still feels that way.

hashpuppet · 10-19-2003, 07:55 PM

you cant break the elbow, you can only dislocate it and rip some tendons

arsen · 10-19-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by hashpuppet
you cant break the elbow, you can only dislocate it and rip some tendons

...

The elbow joint is made up of bone, bone does break. Logically we can infer from here that you can break the elbow. The armbar will break the arm, ask any BJJ practitioner

Apoth · 10-19-2003, 11:15 PM

Yeah, be careful applying armbars if you're new doing it. Whether or not doing a Steven Segal and hyperextending the elbow to a 90 degree angle the wrong way is actually "breaking" the elbow is irrelevant. The effect is the same: torn ligaments, tendonds, muscle, and inability to use the arm for a long time.

Sean Dempsey · 10-20-2003, 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by arsen

... The elbow joint is made up of bone, bone does break. Logically we can infer from here that you can break the elbow. The armbar will break the arm, ask any BJJ practitioner

The elbow is a joint, not a bone. Nowhere in an anatomy book will you find a bone called the "elbow", its like a lap, its something that is named but doesn't technically exist, it's where the ulna/radius attach to the humerus.

When you armbar someone, you are hyperextending the elbow joint. That's it. Where each persons weakest link will be different, some people maybe their brachiialdactyl will give out first, maybe the bicep, who knows.

falcon3624 · 10-20-2003, 07:39 AM

Main Entry: 1break
Pronunciation: 'brAk
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): broke /'brOk/; bro·ken /'brO-k&n/; break·ing
Etymology: Middle English breken, from Old English brecan; akin to Old High German brehhan to break, Latin frangere
Date: before 12th century
transitive senses
1 a : to separate into parts with suddenness or violence b : FRACTURE c : RUPTURE d : to cut into and turn over the surface of e : to render inoperable

By definition dislocating the elbow joint is breaking the arm.

arsen · 10-20-2003, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Sean Dempsey

The elbow is a joint, not a bone. Nowhere in an anatomy book will you find a bone called the "elbow", its like a lap, its something that is named but doesn't technically exist, it's where the ulna/radius attach to the humerus.

Eh hem, no where in my post did i say that the elbow "was" a bone, rather I said it consisted of bone. Furthermore I did refer to the elbow as a joint, please read more carefully in the future.

Benjamin Dover · 10-20-2003, 12:17 PM

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The elbow joint is made up of bone, bone does break

Sorry Arsen but you DID say it was a bone, LOL! Anyway, as a medical professional, you would not be breaking the actually joint. First you would break the capsule (filled with synovial fluid) that surrounds the joint. Then the you would have ligamentous and tendon tears almost simultaneously. After this point if the hinge joint was lined up right you might break the trochlea of the humerus, which is received into the semilunar notch of the ulna, or the capitulum of the humerus which articulates with the fovea on the head of the radius. I hope that this answers your question. BTW...I know because I have treated this on 3 separate occasions.

falcon3624 · 10-20-2003, 12:19 PM

The thought of that kinda makes me feel sick...

LOL, just kidding.

arsen · 10-20-2003, 02:23 PM

Are you people illiterate? Where just where did I say that the the eblow is a bone? I did not say "The elbow is a bone". I did say the the elbow is a JOINT, god damn it. I DID NOT SAY IT WAS A BONE!!!

Is the elbow not a point where two bones are connected?

MMA fanatic · 10-20-2003, 02:30 PM

Well I guess some people just like correcting others without even noticing that there was no mistake in the first place.

**gregimotis** · 10-20-2003, 03:21 PM

It doesn't make any difference whether the bone is broken, or the tendons are torn, or if the magic pixie dust is scorched. If you apply an armbar with force, you will damage or destroy your partners elbow.

Don't let your friends talk you into testing it out on them.

Szczepankiewicz · 10-20-2003, 03:32 PM

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if the magic pixie dust is scorched.

I bet that stinks...

10-19-2003, 06:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
Turing Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 102	Armbar What does an armbar do, and what can it do if you apply a ton of pressure? My friends say it feels like I'm going to break their arm, but to me it doesn't seem like thats what its gonna do. It seems like it would like hyperextend your elbow, pull/rip your bicep, or dislocate your elbow. Anyone know what you're doing, anatomically, that causes pain, and what you'd do, anatomically, if you pulled SUPER hard.

10-19-2003, 07:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
adacas Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fresno, Ca Posts: 563	hyperextend his elbow until it breaks and he loses the use of his arm and the ask him if he still feels that way. __________________ Estalilla Kabaroan

10-20-2003, 02:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
MMA fanatic Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 84	Well I guess some people just like correcting others without even noticing that there was no mistake in the first place. __________________ HaRd WoRk REWARDS

10-20-2003, 03:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,987	What are you guys talking about??? It doesn't make any difference whether the bone is broken, or the tendons are torn, or if the magic pixie dust is scorched. If you apply an armbar with force, you will damage or destroy your partners elbow. Don't let your friends talk you into testing it out on them.

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10-19-2003, 07:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mr. Miyagi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 719	Are you trolling? Hyperextending would be the lowest amount of damage a properly applied armbar could inflict. You don't 'pull' on an arbar, you are bending his arm past the point that it extends to and it is pressured to bend to the breaking point at the elbow.

10-19-2003, 07:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
hashpuppet Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 122	you cant break the elbow, you can only dislocate it and rip some tendons

10-19-2003, 11:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
Apoth Novice Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 38	Yeah, be careful applying armbars if you're new doing it. Whether or not doing a Steven Segal and hyperextending the elbow to a 90 degree angle the wrong way is actually "breaking" the elbow is irrelevant. The effect is the same: torn ligaments, tendonds, muscle, and inability to use the arm for a long time.

10-20-2003, 07:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	Main Entry: 1break Pronunciation: 'brAk Function: verb Inflected Form(s): broke /'brOk/; bro·ken /'brO-k&n/; break·ing Etymology: Middle English breken, from Old English brecan; akin to Old High German brehhan to break, Latin frangere Date: before 12th century transitive senses 1 a : to separate into parts with suddenness or violence b : FRACTURE c : RUPTURE d : to cut into and turn over the surface of e : to render inoperable By definition dislocating the elbow joint is breaking the arm.

10-20-2003, 12:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	The thought of that kinda makes me feel sick... LOL, just kidding.

10-20-2003, 02:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
arsen Novice Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 63	Are you people illiterate? Where just where did I say that the the eblow is a bone? I did not say "The elbow is a bone". I did say the the elbow is a JOINT, god damn it. I DID NOT SAY IT WAS A BONE!!! Is the elbow not a point where two bones are connected?

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