lightning knife

i believe that when learning a martial art of any type u should prepare for fights on the street not the ring or in competition, and so i am interested in police/military combatives, those people rely on those techniques every day to save their lives and so must use proven techniques that WORK. if anyone here has experience in this area, or knows someone who has that would be great

Knuckles&Knees

I was in the U.S. Marine Corps when it was still teaching the LINE system (Linear Infighting Neural Engagement). It is a total fallacy that military and law enforcement hand-to-hand combative systems of training are superior to that of combat athletes.

The fact that the USMC and other branches have revamped their hand-to-hand systems and become more grappling focused, and inspired by Brazilian Jujitsu gives evidence to this. (though it does not prove it)

Military people will rarely see hand-to-hand combat - in actual military warfare that is. I'm very pleased in what I have seen in the new Marine Corps Martial Art, it is a huge step above the old LINE system, but as good as the new MCMAP may be, few Marines will ever use it in actual military combat. This is the nature of modern warfare, it is also the nature in modern warfare to brain wash people to run into the direction of rounds being fired at them, and it *has always been* the nature of warfare to utilize propaganda.

Thai boxers and MMA fighters are actually akin to gladiators. Modern military personnel are more akin to the Roman Legions.

You don't have to be Bruce Lee to work for the FBI and just because you're a sailor swabbing a deck don't make you Chuck Norris.

The main thing hand-to-hand combat training gives military folks is *confidence.* In modern warfare you are likely to be killed or injured at a distance. Even a "near ambush" if I remember correctly, is something like 50 yards. (a far cry from two inches from your face)

lightning knife

i agree with that but it is stil important especially in the police ( which u did not adress)

Knuckles&Knees

Yeah, city and state police, especially city police, and sheriff deputies used as auxiliary forces in central city policing will encounter a lot of apprehensions that require some lesser or great degree of physical violence/force.

Ideally however an officer operates in pairs or more and arrest occurs as the suspect "assumes the position." The problem is the ideal situation does not always, perhaps never even frequently, occur in central city policing.

I was involved in security in the military but I have no background in law enforcement. So, what cops need, and what all revolves around law enforcement, I'll leave that to those that know that line of work. The only thing I do know cops need - or at least benefit from - is how to talk to people... be that to gain information or calm a situation down.

DickHardman

the classic military combatives text of allied forces in ww2

http://www.gutterfighting.org/files/...Get_Killed.pdf

Knuckles&Knees

Interesting book. A 400 something page tome I see. I liked the little info on the Tibetan monks and the spread of jujitsu to Japan (assuming that info is correct). I was unaware Tibetan monks came up with some fighting techniques - I knew Tibet had a violent past or at least a "so-so" violent past so fighting Tibetan monks did not come as a surprise to me.

Michael Wright

Great post, good to read an honest assessment from someone who has been there. So many martial artist ride on the back of "I teach the (insert special forces unit here) to fight in battle", its mostly bullshit.

I was brought in to teach a unit of the military here in the UK, and the C.O. said to me.....Do you know why you are here? If you think we are going to use what you teach us in the field you are sadly misguided. We have Intel, missiles, air strikes, fleet ships, mortar, MP5's, 9mm's and knives as long as a forearm. You are here to make sure my guys come home safe from the bar on a night, so they report to training the next day.

Thats the absolute truth, I was brought in to teach these guys how to handle themselves when a bar full of idiots took a dislike to soldiers, which happens a lot. If they can't fight, then they won't be there to report for duty the next day, and thats the bottom line.