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Knowledge Bot · 09-12-2009, 04:41 AM

When Hatsumi Soke passes By yorkshirelad - 09-11-2009 09:00 PM

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I was scanning through RVD's Ninjutsu.com and noticed that he claims Menkyo Kaiden and Jugodan (Judan Kugyo Happo Biken) in the Bujinkan (I know that jugodan is just a rung of the judan ladder). I have a few questions about this.

1)Does this mean that he is Menkyo Kaiden in the Bujinkan and therefore Menkyo Kaiden in each of the nine ryuha?

2)Is Jugodan in the Bujinkan cosidered Menkyo Kaiden itself, or is a separate certificate presented.

3)Without seeming too macabre Hatsumi will be 78 on his next birthday. When he passes and the next Soke is chosen to replace him, as therwe are numerous jugodan (who may also claim Menkyo Kaiden) do you think there will be a huge exodus from the Bujinkan when this happens? Do you think there will be more and more systems an orgs like Toshindo, Genbukan and Jinenkan?

I swear I'm not trolling, I just believe that due to the huge number of Shihan/Shidoshi in the Bujinkan, there is a good chance of upheaval in the next few years.

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sojobow · 09-13-2009, 09:57 PM

My understanding is that menkyo kaiden is honored only in Japanese Koryu. Not Japanese Koryu, you should not use the term or its related systems.

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Knowledge Bot Auto-Bot Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	MT:When Hatsumi Soke passes When Hatsumi Soke passes By yorkshirelad - 09-11-2009 09:00 PM ========= I was scanning through RVD's Ninjutsu.com and noticed that he claims Menkyo Kaiden and Jugodan (Judan Kugyo Happo Biken) in the Bujinkan (I know that jugodan is just a rung of the judan ladder). I have a few questions about this. 1)Does this mean that he is Menkyo Kaiden in the Bujinkan and therefore Menkyo Kaiden in each of the nine ryuha? 2)Is Jugodan in the Bujinkan cosidered Menkyo Kaiden itself, or is a separate certificate presented. 3)Without seeming too macabre Hatsumi will be 78 on his next birthday. When he passes and the next Soke is chosen to replace him, as therwe are numerous jugodan (who may also claim Menkyo Kaiden) do you think there will be a huge exodus from the Bujinkan when this happens? Do you think there will be more and more systems an orgs like Toshindo, Genbukan and Jinenkan? I swear I'm not trolling, I just believe that due to the huge number of Shihan/Shidoshi in the Bujinkan, there is a good chance of upheaval in the next few years. Read More ... or click reply below. ------------------------------ MartialTalk.com Post Bot - Ninjitsu Feed

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sojobow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 153 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	My understanding is that menkyo kaiden is honored only in Japanese Koryu. Not Japanese Koryu, you should not use the term or its related systems.

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