The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Ninpo Ikan · 08-09-2004, 01:29 PM

The best way to learn about what ninjutsu is is to read a book, specifically "Ninjutsu: History and Tradition" by Soke Hatsumi, the living grandmaster of the nine schools of Ninpo. I guarantee that will answer any and all of your questions regarding Ninjutsu.

jubaji · 08-09-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninpo Ikan

The best way to learn about what ninjutsu is is to read a book, specifically "Ninjutsu: History and Tradition" by Soke Hatsumi, the living grandmaster of the nine schools of Ninpo. I guarantee that will answer any and all of your questions regarding Ninjutsu.

That seems like a rather categorical statement, don't you think? Wouldn't you need to know every possible question that the person could possibly ask to be able to make such a strange blanket guarantee?

Ninpo Ikan · 08-09-2004, 01:37 PM

It covers the history, stances, techniques, training methods, beliefs, weapons, and answers to commonly asked questions. Seems like a good claim to me.

jubaji · 08-09-2004, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninpo Ikan

It covers the history, stances, techniques, training methods, beliefs, weapons, and answers to commonly asked questions. Seems like a good claim to me.

You made a "guarantee". Don't you think that's overdoing it a bit?

Ninpo Ikan · 08-09-2004, 01:47 PM

Nope, I'm confident it'll answer what he needs to know.

jubaji · 08-09-2004, 01:55 PM

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Nope, I'm confident it'll answer what he needs to know.

You seem prone to irresponsible generalizations, don't you?

Ninpo Ikan · 08-09-2004, 02:12 PM

How is that irresponsible? Self-confidence is one of the many benefits of martial arts training, and if he reads that book he'll be fine. A sign of questioning everyone and everything is a lack of faith and confidence.

jubaji · 08-09-2004, 02:53 PM

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How is that irresponsible? Self-confidence is one of the many benefits of martial arts training, and if he reads that book he'll be fine. A sign of questioning everyone and everything is a lack of faith and confidence.

You are brilliant.

Ninpo Ikan · 08-09-2004, 02:53 PM

I'm also modest, so I won't agree with you on that

**HtTKar** · 08-28-2004, 03:52 AM

Hikage

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What about pressure points? Which strikes work best on which pressure points and which pressure points are most available on different ethnicities.

In response to this quote, I would like to know more of what you speak. Which ethnicity has the most pressure points? Which has the least? This is something that I have never heard before. I have studied pressure points for years, but have never trained against an ethnicity. Please enlighten.

holyman · 09-20-2004, 10:08 AM

Its an extinct system and died a death thousands of years ago. These days con men advertise oh i teach ninjutsu but dont believe then.

The true art has been lost in time. Stephen Hayes and Richard Van donk teach hacked ninjutsu which is just jujutus wearing a black suite

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Originally Posted by franceschino

Hi everyone
I am interested in martial arts, and I would like to begin this month one of them. Right now I am very interested in ninjitsu and kung fu, but I don't really know what ninjitsu is. Is it the ninja art??? What do you learn??? Do you learn animal styles like in kung fu??? What do you think is better??? I am looking for something spiritual, acrobatic and that enables me to use sticks, etc... and if possible learn animal styles (not essential).
Please could you help, i know that probably is a stupid question, but I really don't know what to do.
Thank you very much

Francesco

P.S. sorry about my english but I'm italian

koto_ryu · 09-21-2004, 03:48 PM

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Its an extinct system and died a death thousands of years ago. These days con men advertise oh i teach ninjutsu but dont believe then.

The true art has been lost in time. Stephen Hayes and Richard Van donk teach hacked ninjutsu which is just jujutus wearing a black suite

Stephen Hayes did branch off of the actual ninjutsu system and is off doing his own thing, but right now Shihan van Donk is a 14th dan and officially recognized by Soke Hatsumi, the 34th Grandmaster of Togakure-ryu ninjutsu which was passed down to him by O'Sensei Takamatsu Toshitsugu so he is the real deal. If you've seen the guy in action I wouldn't mess with him. And from everything you have said to this point, holyman, I doubt your intellectual capacities far more than any martial arts experience you may believe you have. Until you have actually done the art, you never will really know a thing about it.

Bloody Face · 12-22-2004, 12:34 PM

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I would like to clarify, Frank Dux is/was a competent martial artist, IMHO he is not a ninja nor does he teach koga yamabushi ninjitsu. Sojobow, wolfen1842 and others that practice Dux ryu ninjitsu, regularly try to recruit noobies into the mess that is DRN through threads such as this and other methods, making it seem very mysterious and acting like in that mystery it offers something hidden and completely different, they constanly "imply" DuxRyuNinjitsu has lineage dating back to the koga region of japan in it's feudal age, which cannot be proven nor has it ever even attempted to prove this, they just "say" it. They always invite you to come down and check it out. It is simply a cheesy sales pitch for you to sign up at their McDojo. I am not telling anyone NOT to try it out, just get educated. Their cultist behavior in regards to frank dux can at first be shocking, and seem quite sincere , I simply would like potential students to have a good idea what they are getting into BEFORE they go, not after. Have a nice day.

Hello, I would like to say that from every objective spectator whom has actually seen his demos or sparring, his style is a concoction of many much different systems sometimes resembling Jitsu, American boxing, to Bruce Lee's closing attacks ect. Why such animosity towards these people? Most whom see this are usually quite impressed from what I have read.

koto_ryu · 12-22-2004, 03:43 PM

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Hello, I would like to say that from every objective spectator whom has actually seen his demos or sparring, his style is a concoction of many much different systems sometimes resembling Jitsu, American boxing, to Bruce Lee's closing attacks ect. Why such animosity towards these people? Most whom see this are usually quite impressed from what I have read.

Sure his techniques may look impressive in the dojo, but trying to pass it off as authentic ninjutsu is just a marketing ploy and plain silliness. Check out Bullshido, he's one of the biggest targets there on ninjutsu second to only Ashida Kim/Chris Hunter/Haha Lung.

Bloody Face · 12-24-2004, 04:08 PM

Maybe then...someone could critique his style in a descriptive, detailed, and intelligent fashion as to juxtapose it against other Ninjitsu styles. What is it that makes him a fraud regardless of whether you believe he was in the Kumite or C.I.A. Help me out if you will.

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Bloody Face Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the reply Maybe then...someone could critique his style in a descriptive, detailed, and intelligent fashion as to juxtapose it against other Ninjitsu styles. What is it that makes him a fraud regardless of whether you believe he was in the Kumite or C.I.A. Help me out if you will.

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08-09-2004, 01:29 PM	#151 (permalink)
Ninpo Ikan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The best way to learn about what ninjutsu is is to read a book, specifically "Ninjutsu: History and Tradition" by Soke Hatsumi, the living grandmaster of the nine schools of Ninpo. I guarantee that will answer any and all of your questions regarding Ninjutsu.

08-09-2004, 01:37 PM	#153 (permalink)
Ninpo Ikan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It covers the history, stances, techniques, training methods, beliefs, weapons, and answers to commonly asked questions. Seems like a good claim to me.

08-09-2004, 01:47 PM	#155 (permalink)
Ninpo Ikan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nope, I'm confident it'll answer what he needs to know.

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Ninpo Ikan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	How is that irresponsible? Self-confidence is one of the many benefits of martial arts training, and if he reads that book he'll be fine. A sign of questioning everyone and everything is a lack of faith and confidence.

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Ninpo Ikan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm also modest, so I won't agree with you on that

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