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Old 02-09-2004, 06:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you believe, Creation or evolution? Voice your views please .
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What do you believe, Creation or evolution? Voice your views please .
Creation or evolution of what...existance. I think you need to provide some more detail.
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My apologies. Let me be more specific. How do you think life came along? Do you believe the Big bang, and that evolution took its course and here we are, do you think that God made the world in 7 days, or do you have your own theory?
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god set the chess board and started playing the game. Even the vatican acknowledges evolution although they like to call it a physiological change through time or something like that. The thing is that there is a rift between the people who take the bible literally word for word and those that just say all an accident. Why couldn't god have started the big bang? Why couldn't he have invented evolution to spice things up? I kind of like the idea of having been evolved from monkeys. It brings out the primal instincts in me. Well so does jello but thats a different story.
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What do you believe, Creation or evolution? Voice your views please .
Personally, I believe that humans originated through evolution, although I think it's possible that "God set the chess board," as Adacas put it, creating the situations that eventually led to the evolution of humans.

As an aside, I think both the "evolution" and "creation" theories should be taught to students in school.
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What do you believe, Creation or evolution? Voice your views please .
This is the most interesting forum to me rather than martial arts.

I am a pure Roman Catholic since birth and until now, but i do believe in Creation.... i mean God create things to make it EVOLVED..... so, the process of creation is evolution......

example:

God create World and all things in this World to make it Evolved.

Love - is the only proof that there is God

and....

Fossils - is the only proof that there is an Evolution
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My apologies. Let me be more specific. How do you think life came along? Do you believe the Big bang, and that evolution took its course and here we are, do you think that God made the world in 7 days, or do you have your own theory?
If Science is accurate in bringing man on the moon, and back to earth as safe as possible....

and how can Science be wrong if they found more Fossils of plant and animals evolution (as an EVIDENCE?????)
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I dont belive in evolution at all. The bible clearly states how we were created and evolution wasn't in that process. We were created in God's own likeness. And my God isn't a monkey.
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You cannot believe in the evolution theory, because it's a theory backed up with scietific evidence therefore you cannot believe in it. There are no proof whatsoever against the evolution theory so it is the most probably theory how the life evolved. The evolution theory has nothing to do with how life first came.


That's what my biology teacher says.
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there is no proof for evolution either.

Ask you Bio teacher about the law of Biogenesis. (that law of biology states Life cannot come from Non-life.

Thermodynamics says that systems move from order to chaos, not the other way round like evolution states.

The moon moves away from the earth so many feet per year. If you run it backwards the moon would be inside the earths atmosphere if it is as old as they say. That would have devistated any planet formation.

Why hasn't anything else evovled since we started looking for it. Evolution says that something changed from on thing to another. A fish became a lizard and such. We have no evidence of this and have never observed it.

Science is a philosphy. It predicts what has been observed though empirical study.

and if the fittest were really to survive then people would not be here. We are much more fragile than a virus or bacteria or single celled organism.

Also if it were true than people with glasses would not be picked as mates as much as people without glasses because that is a disadvantage that is generally passed on to the offspring.

There is no evidence support evolution only adaptation. Something changed color. Something lost its eyesight (life cave fish) but no dogs have turned into cats or such.

When harvard did a statistical analysis of evolution they found it to be 1 in 1 with over a hundred thousand zeros behind it. I don't remember the number for creation but it came out much more probabable.

At statistically it should be. If you assume an all powerful being then all things are possible.
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I dont belive in evolution at all. The bible clearly states how we were created and evolution wasn't in that process. We were created in God's own likeness. And my God isn't a monkey.
When people said we evolved from moneys, they don't mean a monkey you see in the zoo these days. They are referring to our ape-like ancestors, (i.e.homoerectus, etc.).
Personally I believe tin the singuarity theory where there was energy compressed into the size of a pea. Secondly, I'd like to explain the multiverse before i go any further. multi verse there are numerous bubbles, each with different universe and a different possibility, for example in one bubble, i may be typing this post as it is, and in another bubble i may be typing this post out in all caps. When two of the bubbles touched, the two bubbles are destroyed and a new universe resulted. The new bubble may have formed the possibility that the energy compressed into the size of a pea may have been disrupted. What may have caused the two bubbles to touch? I personally believe it's god.

I personally view it as god kicked off the big bang and then sat back and watched he show. Evolution took place, etc.

Also I'd like to note how some people's theory is that dinosaurs co existed with humans until they died in the great flood because dinosaurs couldn't fit in the ark *
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I dont want to bother prooving that evolution in an actual process, but i will briefly. Look at how the blacks are black for a sunny climate in africa, look at how the the Europeans who wore more clothes against the cold weather were more pretected against the sun and thus developed a lighter skin pigment.

The only thing is science has yet to create a living organism, we can alter them, make them reporduce, harvest them, but we cant take nonliving things and make something living. This is what leads me to say that i belive in a combination of the two, as adacas said; god set the chess board.
I really do believe that there are other Civilizations/Aliens or other planet/s withing our galaxy (dead/present/newlyborn living planets)

now, do you believe that there are aliens?????

if yes.... then, it is also a God's Image?????

if not.... then, there might be other gods who created them to their own images???????
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I really do believe that there are other Civilizations/Aliens or other planet/s withing our galaxy (dead/present/newlyborn living planets)

now, do you believe that there are aliens?????

if yes.... then, it is also a God's Image?????

if not.... then, there might be other gods who created them to their own images???????

Interesting point. I remember a few years ago we the found life..well an organism..on some planet I can't remember and the cathloic church was in an uproar becuase of the implications - there could be life outside of earth blasphemy. But there is no reference in the bible that states that life was ONLY created on earth. The book Genisis merely states creation and then how the earth and life on earth was created. I could be wrong but from my reading that has always been my understanding.
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I dont want to bother prooving that evolution in an actual process, but i will briefly. Look at how the blacks are black for a sunny climate in africa, look at how the the Europeans who wore more clothes against the cold weather were more pretected against the sun and thus developed a lighter skin pigment.
Another interesting point. Well this is more a case of adaptation as one could argue the slanted eyes of the asians. Actully, from an anthropological perspective there are roughly 3-6 classes of human with teh original 3 of course Negroid, mongoloid and caucosoid. I argued this very point with an anthropology professor indicating that eskimos (decendents of native americans) where certainly not white and not all tribes in africa are black. The asnswer I was given well I barely remember, but she said something like it takes a long time to change. Of course for change to take place on a geneitic level is slow but ultamitely no answer was given becuase none is available.

The maturity of scientists in terms of their thinking has not changed much since copernicus. We thought the world was flat and anyone who thought different was a hack, then proven wrong. Copernicus had the geocentric theory but the thought that all the plaents could did not revolve around the earth was blasphemy. Actually, it is this conceit of the humans position that the earth is central to evrything is the problem with believing there could be other life beyond earth.


Scientists are alway discovering new life of this planet and alot that is not understood, but when life on another planet is discussed, it is always compared to humans and then tehy say life can't exist here or if it were to exist it would like like "?????" but that is not possible
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