guy incognito

Why does everybody bag classical MAs?The people who devised these techniques could fight way better than any of us could ever hope to.Why because they did it day in day out.The techniques that didnt work died with the person who tried to use them so we can assume that the only the effective techniques survived to this day.MMAs,BJJ,Krav marga,JKD all of these things would not even exist in the first place without the classical MAs.I dont practice a classical MA so im not defending my art here it just seems strange to bag them.But i can see how tecniques to deal with people in bamboo armor and long low stances no longer apply to a modern situation.

Thai Bri

One of the many reasons people "bag" them is that people like you create threads about it.

And where is oyur evidence that the founders of classical arts could fight?

Thai Bri

That is quite poetic. I am moved.

guy incognito

Thai find somewhere else to troll.What i said was they were beter than us because they did it all the time.Instead of trolling forums.

Thai Bri

You started the thread ya idjut.

guy incognito

Look just dont answer anything i write.You have nothing to bring to the table but moronic statements.

Lizard

I thnk its a bit strange that people think that some arts arent very effective now but used to be lethal. In the past few thousand years the human form has remained pretty much the same, the laws of physics have remained fairly constant. A move which was useful "in those days" should still be useful now... shouldnt they?

The only real difference is that in the past many people would have had weapons, you can see the instinct to arm ourselves when children pick up sticks. Which means that they wouldnt have bothered much with unarmed combat. The only exception might be for one on one duels to determine status.

So if anything, the hand to hand skills of the martial artists in the "olden days" would have been much less than the martial artists of today.

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guy incognito

I guess you have a good point about the weapons skills.I think that yes if something worked for thousands of years why would it be useless now?
Why is a modern engagement so different only the setting has changed.I mean a knife is still a knife.Granted the chances of being atacked with a broad sword or somethong like that have reduced!

Greenthink

Classical Judo is the explanation for why the United States is last place in Olympic Judo.
The classical judo sickness is exibited by old fashioned training methods ,coupled with culturally inappropriate customs and traditions.

The attempt to teach Judo standing still and as analogous with sticks and boxes, to describe movement and dynamic sports skill is clearly the end result of 50 years of classical judo failure in America

Bowing is used as a control method to cloud the mind by promoting non-critical thinking (subserviance) thereby leading to the stagnation and backwardness of american competitive organized judo.

This quasi-cult atmosphere is mirrored by martial arts in general seeing that all traditional martial arts were originally religous cults, and in modern times psyco-pathetic mind types will attempt this behaviour for personal gain by manipulating young people and those that are not comfortable in their own personalities.
This will be exibited by wanting to be called Master or Sensai and requiring
permission to go to the bathroom, getting a drink of water,belt tying and attending to other personal care. This will be augmented by traditional mind-control (brainwashing) methods by producing pain and embarressment at not "showing the proper respect" or other ostracization outside of the group by not following the "Masters " mandates ; I.E. contracts ,sexual favors etc.

jubaji

Oh, great. This F-ing psycho is back

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Greenthink

Perfect example of the suck-up . Just as Pavlov trained his dogs, I ring your bell and you salivate on command.

jubaji

They released you from the 'institute' again too soon.

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Tom Yum

Look whose back

Greenie, have you had the pleasure of meeting Sherwinc? He'll kung fu your @ss...lol.

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Toudiyama[NL]

Clasical Martial arts is not the same as Traditional
Clasical is Ken jitsu, iai jitsu well just about anything with jitsu
These were the arts of the samurai
The Traditional arts have Do Ken do, iai do, aikido, judo there the fighting aspect became secundairy to either the mental or the sportaspect
No longer drawing ones sword fast but as beautiful as possible
ju jitsu was a secundairy art and wasn't trained as much ( a samurai without his sword?
Karate never was a warrior art to begin with, it was grown from civil defence systems but most old masters were from upperclass families so they would have the time to train
These times were much more violent and they had enough opportunity to test their skills
It was when times became less violent that they couldn't do so anymore and the decline started because people changed things based on assumptions
Just like people nowadays seem to assume that if you are good in the ring you will automaticaly be good on the street
The only way to test our skills is in the streets but in our modernday world, this is no longer accepted

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