Stupidest techniques (NOT a poll) - Page 2

sherwinc · 05-04-2004, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CKD

Here is a gun defense i found in a book.
1.Kick the gun out of his hand with a crescent kick
2.then pivot and kick him in the face or soler plexus with a spinning back kick
3.To finally disable him grab his head and do a knee strike to the face
Now thats a great gun disarmment.

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since hand is faster than feet, and hand is faster than eyes......

How about if...... immidiately grab is handholdinggun with your left hand while simultaenously strike him with you SwordFinger to his eyes using your right swordfinger..... then hold his handholdinggun with your right hand and strike him in his adam's apple using your left swordfinger....... then hold his handholdinggun with your left hand then repeat strike him to his eyes using your right sword finger......

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even thou he has no eyes left, you should strike him again to his eyes...... the more blood that flows - the better......

squidd · 05-04-2004, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by osopardo

1. Spinning back anything (kicks, fists, elbows, whatever)

i saw "mr. international" (forgot his whole name) floor someone with a spinning back fist. he kicked, missed and spun, and the opponent shot in quite high. mr international then threw a spinning back fist which connected and KOed the opponent.

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Originally Posted by osopardo

2. Empty hand gun disarms (such as they teach in KM)

amen to that. empty handed combat can hardly compare to gunfire.

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Originally Posted by osopardo

3. Tornado kick

like the one ken and ryu do in streetfighter?

shuyun · 05-05-2004, 04:59 PM

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Vectors describe movement using coordinates, explain, right now, to me, how aikido uses vectors.

vectors are magnitudes with directions. where as speed is a magnitude velocity is a vector. vector forces are described using coordinates. you mean to tell me that with your A in physics you can't plot the magnitude and direction of forces generated by muscles?

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ATP as produced in the mitochondria via the process of respiration, Yes. It is a biological process. Now exactly how is one supposed to increase it?

respirtion main ingredient? Oxygen. How do you increase Oxygen? Duh. breathe. In breathing exercises there is a maximum intake of oxygen but not as much use because of relaxation. And so the slow meditative state of internal MA that uses breathing takes advantage of more oxygen for producing ATP in the mitochondria and also more oxygen in the bloodstream via the hemoglobin. Panting is an indication that oxygen is not being maximized thus the need to hyperventilate.

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I have this question for you: How many other sports use chi? how many animals use chi? If it is indeed so powerful a force then why has it been discounted and discredited by scientists (the ones with actual knowledge of physics and biology)?

Again in my former post i do not subscribe to chi as being an other worldly force that can perform superhuman feats. but as a catchcall words by the ancient masters for different martial arts and physics concepts such as (again) vectors, center of gravity, breath etc.

and as to the photographable chi. see attachments. again i do not suggest that you can make fireballs with this energy. but that glow is more pronounced in people who are meditating during the photography session.
so how many animals have chi?

darrianation · 05-05-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by osopardo

Being as how I'm older, wiser, hairier, more experienced than most of you pansies and wannabes, I've had numerous opportunities to be required to learn some really useless, stupid stuff along my martial path. Stuff that would make my father, who has always been an essentially practical man, laugh derisively. I'll share a few, just to get the ball rolling.

1. Spinning back anything (kicks, fists, elbows, whatever)
2. Empty hand gun disarms (such as they teach in KM)
3. Tornado kick

Feel free to join in and add your own. Or disagree, but you better be credible!

I don't know about the spinning thing. I would agree with spinning kicks but not necessarily with the spinning back fist/hammer fist, or the spinning elbow.

In ring fighting MT I have K.O'd 2 guys with spinning back fists and knocked down a couple of others. I landed a spinning back elbow once and knocked the guy down and not long after that I TKO'd him with a right hook.

This is definitely is not for beginners and should not be your main techniques but great against someone closing or trying to hang on.

You just need to know when and under what circumstances in which to throw it.

**Thai Bri** · 05-05-2004, 06:59 PM

In MT they are not in the habit of taking your back and choking you out.

darrianation · 05-05-2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

In MT they are not in the habit of taking your back and choking you out.

For him to get a choke in that manner, he would have to come in high. He would eat the elbow. Now if he came in low then the elbow would miss and he could get the takedown from behind if I hadn’t spun through by then.

Using this reasoning then you better not kick because how many takedowns have you seen following a kick (follow right behind the leg returning)? Well I have seen plenty, Royce was good at it. That goes for punches too, the puncher comes in and the grappler goes under for a double/single leg takedown then they have to work for the choke from there (or whatever).

I guess you just need stay away from the grapplers if you are afraid of being choked out. But in all fairness a spinning back elbow, back fist/hammer strike isn’t in my main game plan, if I did it, it would be impromptu but at the right time and under the right circumstances.

darrianation · 05-05-2004, 08:20 PM

And to really answer the question what is the stupidest technique? It would be any technique that sherwinc throws!

**Thai Bri** · 05-05-2004, 09:00 PM

You wouldn't eat the elbow if you raised your arms. It would bounce harmlessly off your triceps. And, of course, your raised arms are in the perfect position for a choke.

Honest. Don't turn your back in a real go. Not even for a millisecond.

ps - you have a good point re the kicks. I would rarely kick in a real go and, even then, I'd keep 'em very low.

darrianation · 05-06-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

You wouldn't eat the elbow if you raised your arms. It would bounce harmlessly off your triceps. And, of course, your raised arms are in the perfect position for a choke.

Honest. Don't turn your back in a real go. Not even for a millisecond.

ps - you have a good point re the kicks. I would rarely kick in a real go and, even then, I'd keep 'em very low.

Your commet about not turning your back to the opponent even for a split second is a valid point.

Lizard · 05-06-2004, 02:07 PM

If chi is indeed, as you say, a genuine, explainable phenomena then what are those photographs taking pictures of?

As far as I know, "vectors" (or to put more sensibly, movement) and Rate of ATP production cannot be photographed to produce nice colours.

Doesnt Aikido use many circular movements? Vectors only describe linear components of movement. Perhaps looking at Moments (as in force x distance) and angular components of forces would be a better approach for them to take?

shuyun · 05-10-2004, 01:01 AM

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If chi is indeed, as you say, a genuine, explainable phenomena then what are those photographs taking pictures of?

Lizzie. read before you mouth off wilya! context. context, context! chi is expalinable yes and genuine phenomena YES. but as for a bio-electrical energy it is too. it's just a by product of our life processes and is more pronunced in certain activites. but as it is it is most practical only as an indicator not as a weapon. this is what certain martial artists feel during exercises in aikido or tai chi. this feeling is what led to the investigation of giving it visual form. and though we can photograph it we still can't produce fireballs can we?!

this is chi as life force. if you read my post a few posts back there is chi as... Not one defenition expains every aspect. it was a catch call thing for most martial arts phenomenon. that is why they looked so esoteric in western eyes. they knew what they knew but did not have our vocabulary to make them credible. it didn't make them wrong. just misunderstood. and i think it's working on you.

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As far as I know, "vectors" (or to put more sensibly, movement) and Rate of ATP production cannot be photographed to produce nice colours.

Duh!! obviously they were photos of leaves and hands not mitochondria. And vectors are experienced not photographed.

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Doesnt Aikido use many circular movements? Vectors only describe linear components of movement. Perhaps looking at Moments (as in force x distance) and angular components of forces would be a better approach for them to take?

yes aikido does use circular movements. but your muscles only move in pulls. And angular momentum/movements on joints result in torque (circular motion) doesn't it.
Where did you learn your physics?

Lizard · 05-10-2004, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shuyun

Lizzie. read before you mouth off wilya! context. context, context! chi is expalinable yes and genuine phenomena YES. but as for a bio-electrical energy it is too. it's just a by product of our life processes and is more pronunced in certain activites. but as it is it is most practical only as an indicator not as a weapon. this is what certain martial artists feel during exercises in aikido or tai chi. this feeling is what led to the investigation of giving it visual form. and though we can photograph it we still can't produce fireballs can we?!

this is chi as life force. if you read my post a few posts back there is chi as... Not one defenition expains every aspect. it was a catch call thing for most martial arts phenomenon. that is why they looked so esoteric in western eyes. they knew what they knew but did not have our vocabulary to make them credible. it didn't make them wrong. just misunderstood. and i think it's working on you.

Duh!! obviously they were photos of leaves and hands not mitochondria. And vectors are experienced not photographed.

yes aikido does use circular movements. but your muscles only move in pulls. And angular momentum/movements on joints result in torque (circular motion) doesn't it.
Where did you learn your physics?

OK, youve justified your beleifs enough. I remain skeptical but am finding it hard to find faults in your logic.

Good discussion. Ive not finished learning my physics yet...

darrianation · 05-10-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CKD

Here is a gun defense i found in a book.
1.Kick the gun out of his hand with a crescent kick
2.then pivot and kick him in the face or soler plexus with a spinning back kick
3.To finally disable him grab his head and do a knee strike to the face
Now thats a great gun disarmment.

CKD you are so funny, that’s a good one.

There was a study done with officers involved in shootings at close range against moving/running perps, and according to the study from a distance of 10 feet the officer only hit the perp 4 out of 10 times. Only 1 in 9 of these shooting were fatal or cuased serious critical injury (1 in 9 that actually hit the person).

Nationally, the average hit ratio for law enforcement officers, standing static shooting at a paper target, is 90-plus percent. Yet when an officer becomes involved in an OIS the hit ratio is somewhere around 12% to 18% for ranges out to 20 feet.

So a trained professional as in a police officer with adrenaline pumping is only 40% accurate against moving targets under 10 feet. So how about less trained people?

If you are being robbed then give him your money or in other words cooperate. If you are being kidnapped or told to leave with the gun totting assailant then the best chance you have is to run. Or you can take CDK’s great advice and kick the gun out of the guys hand, just like Billy Jack.

Of course I’ll say it again the stupidest technique is what ever technique sherwinc uses!

Tom Yum · 05-10-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by darrianation

Yet when an officer becomes involved in an OIS the hit ratio is somewhere around 12% to 18% for ranges out to 20 feet.

Of course I’ll say it again the stupidest technique is what ever technique sherwinc uses!

Chidianbun kungfu increase police officer hit ratio by 100 fold!!

CONVINCED???????????????

darrianation · 05-10-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Chidianbun kungfu increase police officer hit ratio by 100 fold!!

CONVINCED???????????????

Chi dian bun is real Kung fu not fake commercialized Kung Fu. I can stop the bullets with my Chi!

05-05-2004, 08:20 PM	#22 (permalink)
darrianation Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,161 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	And to really answer the question what is the stupidest technique? It would be any technique that sherwinc throws! __________________ The law of tyranny: 1. Any power that can be abused will be abused 2. Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it. 3. If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail. Welcome to the Socialist States of Amerika . Coming soon Jan 20th 2009!

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Lizard Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 985 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If chi is indeed, as you say, a genuine, explainable phenomena then what are those photographs taking pictures of? As far as I know, "vectors" (or to put more sensibly, movement) and Rate of ATP production cannot be photographed to produce nice colours. Doesnt Aikido use many circular movements? Vectors only describe linear components of movement. Perhaps looking at Moments (as in force x distance) and angular components of forces would be a better approach for them to take? __________________ Enemies Strengthen, Allies weaken.

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Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In MT they are not in the habit of taking your back and choking you out.

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Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You wouldn't eat the elbow if you raised your arms. It would bounce harmlessly off your triceps. And, of course, your raised arms are in the perfect position for a choke. Honest. Don't turn your back in a real go. Not even for a millisecond. ps - you have a good point re the kicks. I would rarely kick in a real go and, even then, I'd keep 'em very low.

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