They Beheaded Him Too!! - Page 3

darrianation · 06-23-2004, 12:34 PM

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i agree with that idea completely, however, i have 2 questions
1. what are psy-ops?

Another way to say Psy-ops is information warfare. In its basic form: winning the hearts and minds of the enemy and weakening the enemy's resolve.

They do this by dissemination of select information to select groups to elicit and influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately their behavior. The idea behind it is to reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to ours.

The two main components are Perception management and deception.

They do this by printed materials, Media broadcast, nation building, sympathizers, informants, and in some cases disinformation, fear, and deception.

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2. they don't want womens rights. that's something only "barbarians" would do(that's one reason they dont like us, remember? why would we give that to them, if all it does is piss them off more?)

Honestly it comes down to conformity. This is one of many items that disconnects them from the modern world. Like I said there are social and cultural ramifications to this but this allows them to be assimilated into modern global society.

m.artist · 06-24-2004, 10:48 AM

hmmm
interesting
ok thx guys
well
what should we do now?
(as far as the war is concerned)

world of peace · 06-26-2004, 12:04 PM

I would just like to clear up some misconceptions about islam:

1) Muslims who commit crimes in the name of Islam, do not represent Islam. Islam prohibits committing suicide, killing women, children, the elderly and innocent civilians. Unfortunately this is occuring around the world, but these people don't have an understangind of what islam teaches.

2) The actions of a few muslims do not represent Islam. There are terrorists in every culture, religion, faith etc...

world of peace · 06-26-2004, 12:04 PM

I would just like to clear up some misconceptions about islam:

1) Muslims who commit crimes in the name of Islam, do not represent Islam. Islam prohibits committing suicide, killing women, children, the elderly and innocent civilians. Unfortunately this is occuring around the world, but these people don't have an understangind of what islam teaches.

2) The actions of a few muslims do not represent Islam. There are terrorists in every culture, religion, faith etc...

krys · 06-26-2004, 02:57 PM

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As far as us dropping the atom bomb on Japan we warned them that they'd far destruction if they didn’t unconditionally surrender. What many people fail to realize that the Japanese, Germans and other's had been trying to make an atom bombs for years before we started up the Manhattan project. Then as in now there is "political speak" in which you say something that has greater meaning that mostly world leaders and politicians understand. To warn that they'd face ultimate destruction was political speak for we'd drop the big one.

Unconditional surrender meant that the emperor was to abdicate.... a small thing for westerners but something everybody knew the Japanese military weren't going to accept.... Japan was ready to surrender from february 1945. Negotiations could have been pushed through...

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The Japanese had all kinds of kamikaze stuff that was designed for if in fact invaded Japan. The cost in lives would be higher on both their and our sides if we hadn't dropped the bomb.

The Japanese army was finished and had no means to win the war.... even Eisenhower, Mac Arthur were convinced of this.... they couldn't have lasted long with conventional bombings, the maritime blockade... by the way the russians were ready to invade Japan and could have done the job without the loss of american lifes.... or maybe were the bomb dropped to prevent this? I think there is a lot more than the charitable concern for soldiers lives in this story....

Over 300000 peoples civilians died in those bombings never forget this, wether you agree or not with their usefullness we should at least show some respect to those who died.... peoples tend to talk too lightly about those tragic events....

m.artist · 06-26-2004, 06:58 PM

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Well it would help matters if michael moore just ended up dead one morning. His movie helps the enemy's morale. Now i do know if he's too stupid to realise that or he does realise that and wants the enemy to win. But that isnt important, what is, is the fact that this film will inspire the enemy to keep on fighting.

It'd have been even better if he ended up dead before his silly ass film was completed, and the all his work mysteriously going up in flames.

Hear's a picture of Gore:

that would be nice...and ya your right, that's what will happen. he hates america so much, why doens't he leave, instead of just bashing us?
he's alway a part of the problem.
yet he never helps create a solution to it
he just makes the problem bigger and bigger

darrianation · 06-27-2004, 04:02 PM

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ok well just so you know, the killed the south korean man too

for those of you who can't stand micheal moore(that big fat guy who tells lie after lie and backs it up with more lies)
here's an artical bashing him
*sighs*
i love a good "i hate micheal moore" story
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/?GT1=3584

God, I could go on and on about Moore (nothing positive might I tell you). He is a fake, a phony, a liar and one of the most liberal and boastful anti-Americans I have seen in a long time, he puts Hanoi Jane Fonda to shame.

He has a unique and uncanny way of twisting and distorting the truth. He is like the “supreme commander of leftist disinformation, “The leftist minister of propaganda”.

Anyway here’s a couple of sights you can look at his liberal leftist distortions and dissemination of lies.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/
http://www.moorelies.com/articles/ca...ay.cfm?catID=1

m.artist · 06-27-2004, 05:39 PM

thank you for the sites
*goes to show friends who like micheal out o shape moore

Tom Yum · 06-27-2004, 07:10 PM

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But the environmental wacko's are preventing that. Yes Alaska is a beautiful wilderness but now we've technology that drills down and out so a huge area can be pumped with minimal damage to the view.

Environmental wackos and the industry consultants are preventing it, but not for the same reasons.

Conduct your own study on proved, probable oil/gas reserves in Alaska (onshore + offshore) and the probable production rates (conservative and optimistic) for those areas for one year and for a 5 to 10 year projection. How long will those Alaskan reserves last under different production rates

Compare that data to the US's current domestic production of oil/gas per year, US's current demand for oil/gas per year and a 5 to 10 year projection of US's production and demand. Is this a significant source of oil that will substitute Mideast imports or a marginal suppliment? Therein lies the problem....

m.artist · 06-28-2004, 10:38 AM

well, we handed power back over to iraq this morning
i think that was a smart move, it prevented attacks on the day that was originally ment to happen. smart move. and saddam is supposed to be transfered soon. he's been writing a novel while in jail

well i hope this works out and they don't go and put him back in power.....as that would suck....

bvermillion · 06-28-2004, 11:54 AM

I just came across this thread. I am leaving for the Marine Corps in August. As far as just dropping an atom bomb on them; it will never happen and it shouldn't. As much as I would love to turn Iraq and the hole middle east for that matter into a glow in the dark parking lot it just isn't feasible. Even though we are America and are the greatest most powerful nation we still answer to people. You might say well how do we answer to people; well in a lot of ways. First off we have signed agreements with many country promising not to use the Atom bomb. Second we are a humanitarian country we take into consideration other people's lives and well being. We are almost like the worlds problem fixers. If we were to bomb iraq alot of countries would get really pissed and we definately dont need that. And on top of this all Atom bombs dont just affect the country they are dropped on they permanetely (sp) affect the entire atmosphere. I read somewhere that if 3 more atom bombs were exploded that the entire world would suffer some effects of radiation. And if 6 were exploded the world would be unlivable.

On to a new subject. I think the first thing americans need to realize is this is a holy war. I don't care what anyone says. America is a christian nation that is the basis of what we are founded on. The constitution says freedom of religion not freedom from religion. The terrorists wouldn't give a crap about us if we weren't a christian nation. They are attacking us for what we stand for. Whethere your a christian or not you need to realize if you live in america this is a christian nation.

Hand to Hand I would like to know what you find contractdictary(sp) about the bible.

m.artist · 06-28-2004, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bvermillion

I just came across this thread. I am leaving for the Marine Corps in August. As far as just dropping an atom bomb on them; it will never happen and it shouldn't. As much as I would love to turn Iraq and the hole middle east for that matter into a glow in the dark parking lot it just isn't feasible. Even though we are America and are the greatest most powerful nation we still answer to people. You might say well how do we answer to people; well in a lot of ways. First off we have signed agreements with many country promising not to use the Atom bomb. Second we are a humanitarian country we take into consideration other people's lives and well being. We are almost like the worlds problem fixers. If we were to bomb iraq alot of countries would get really pissed and we definately dont need that. And on top of this all Atom bombs dont just affect the country they are dropped on they permanetely (sp) affect the entire atmosphere. I read somewhere that if 3 more atom bombs were exploded that the entire world would suffer some effects of radiation. And if 6 were exploded the world would be unlivable.

On to a new subject. I think the first thing americans need to realize is this is a holy war. I don't care what anyone says. America is a christian nation that is the basis of what we are founded on. The constitution says freedom of religion not freedom from religion. The terrorists wouldn't give a crap about us if we weren't a christian nation. They are attacking us for what we stand for. Whethere your a christian or not you need to realize if you live in america this is a christian nation.

Hand to Hand I would like to know what you find contractdictary(sp) about the bible.

i don't agree that this is a holy war
for one, they are killing people in the name of god.
whos' god tells somone to do that?
that's a pathetic excuse to kill someone(behead them!!!)
we are a christian country, but we aren't at war because we don't like their religion. we are at war with terrorists because of just that!
they are terrorists!!
the blow up civilians in their own country, they bomb children and have no remorse for it
they would give their lives as long as someone else dies for their very wrong cause
holy war?
puullease...

bvermillion · 06-28-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m.artist

i don't agree that this is a holy war
for one, they are killing people in the name of god.
whos' god tells somone to do that?
that's a pathetic excuse to kill someone(behead them!!!)
we are a christian country, but we aren't at war because we don't like their religion. we are at war with terrorists because of just that!
they are terrorists!!
the blow up civilians in their own country, they bomb children and have no remorse for it
they would give their lives as long as someone else dies for their very wrong cause
holy war?
puullease...

I think you totally misunderstood me. We aren't making this into a holy war they are. They wouldn't even be attacking us if we weren't a christian nation. This war is about terrorism. Why do you think the terrorist are choosing to attack us and anyone that helps us. Do you think they just picked us randomly. No it is because we are the biggest most powerful christian nation in the world. They don't believe in God they believe in Allah. You said that God wouldn't tell someone to kill other people and you are exactly right. But they dont serve God. They serve there own made up Allah. And according to their Koran it is great for them to attack us because we are christians. They wouldn't attack us if we weren't a Christian Nation. We were founded on christianity and they hate that.

bvermillion · 06-28-2004, 01:44 PM

I think you gathered that I was against this war and I am not. I am very much for this war and think it should of happened along time ago. I am just stating what no one in politics wants to come out. The politicians know it is a holy war they just dont bring it out because if it becomes noted as a holy war all hell will really break loose. Not a one of the middle eastern countries besides Israel is for us. The rest hate christianity and everything it stands for. If they thought this war was a war against christianity everyone of of those insane radical muslim coutries would jump in and even though we could wipe everyone of them out with the push of button we prefer peace.

m.artist · 06-28-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bvermillion

I think you gathered that I was against this war and I am not. I am very much for this war and think it should of happened along time ago. I am just stating what no one in politics wants to come out. The politicians know it is a holy war they just dont bring it out because if it becomes noted as a holy war all hell will really break loose. Not a one of the middle eastern countries besides Israel is for us. The rest hate christianity and everything it stands for. If they thought this war was a war against christianity everyone of of those insane radical muslim coutries would jump in and even though we could wipe everyone of them out with the push of button we prefer peace.

ya well it just goes to show, that the people we are dealing with are idiots

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m.artist Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 919 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmmm interesting ok thx guys well what should we do now? (as far as the war is concerned) __________________ "Before you open your mouth to speak, please make sure it's an improvement upon the silence."

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m.artist Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 919 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you for the sites *goes to show friends who like micheal out o shape moore __________________ "Before you open your mouth to speak, please make sure it's an improvement upon the silence."

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m.artist Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 919 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	well, we handed power back over to iraq this morning i think that was a smart move, it prevented attacks on the day that was originally ment to happen. smart move. and saddam is supposed to be transfered soon. he's been writing a novel while in jail well i hope this works out and they don't go and put him back in power.....as that would suck.... __________________ "Before you open your mouth to speak, please make sure it's an improvement upon the silence."

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06-26-2004, 12:04 PM	#33 (permalink)
world of peace Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 9 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would just like to clear up some misconceptions about islam: 1) Muslims who commit crimes in the name of Islam, do not represent Islam. Islam prohibits committing suicide, killing women, children, the elderly and innocent civilians. Unfortunately this is occuring around the world, but these people don't have an understangind of what islam teaches. 2) The actions of a few muslims do not represent Islam. There are terrorists in every culture, religion, faith etc...

06-26-2004, 12:04 PM	#34 (permalink)
world of peace Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 9 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would just like to clear up some misconceptions about islam: 1) Muslims who commit crimes in the name of Islam, do not represent Islam. Islam prohibits committing suicide, killing women, children, the elderly and innocent civilians. Unfortunately this is occuring around the world, but these people don't have an understangind of what islam teaches. 2) The actions of a few muslims do not represent Islam. There are terrorists in every culture, religion, faith etc...

06-28-2004, 11:54 AM	#41 (permalink)
bvermillion Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Reading, Ma Posts: 312 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just came across this thread. I am leaving for the Marine Corps in August. As far as just dropping an atom bomb on them; it will never happen and it shouldn't. As much as I would love to turn Iraq and the hole middle east for that matter into a glow in the dark parking lot it just isn't feasible. Even though we are America and are the greatest most powerful nation we still answer to people. You might say well how do we answer to people; well in a lot of ways. First off we have signed agreements with many country promising not to use the Atom bomb. Second we are a humanitarian country we take into consideration other people's lives and well being. We are almost like the worlds problem fixers. If we were to bomb iraq alot of countries would get really pissed and we definately dont need that. And on top of this all Atom bombs dont just affect the country they are dropped on they permanetely (sp) affect the entire atmosphere. I read somewhere that if 3 more atom bombs were exploded that the entire world would suffer some effects of radiation. And if 6 were exploded the world would be unlivable. On to a new subject. I think the first thing americans need to realize is this is a holy war. I don't care what anyone says. America is a christian nation that is the basis of what we are founded on. The constitution says freedom of religion not freedom from religion. The terrorists wouldn't give a crap about us if we weren't a christian nation. They are attacking us for what we stand for. Whethere your a christian or not you need to realize if you live in america this is a christian nation. Hand to Hand I would like to know what you find contractdictary(sp) about the bible.

06-28-2004, 01:44 PM	#44 (permalink)
bvermillion Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Reading, Ma Posts: 312 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think you gathered that I was against this war and I am not. I am very much for this war and think it should of happened along time ago. I am just stating what no one in politics wants to come out. The politicians know it is a holy war they just dont bring it out because if it becomes noted as a holy war all hell will really break loose. Not a one of the middle eastern countries besides Israel is for us. The rest hate christianity and everything it stands for. If they thought this war was a war against christianity everyone of of those insane radical muslim coutries would jump in and even though we could wipe everyone of them out with the push of button we prefer peace.

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