Why, oh why?

jubaji · 11-18-2005, 07:44 AM

So, here's a question:

Have you noticed that you never hear a boxer or a wrestler or such say things like "My boxing works" or "In such and such situation I'm confident my boxing will win"? In the event there are hostilities, you are likely to hear "I'll kick your ass, *@#$^%" if anything. Later, you are unlikely to hear the same person say "I got into a confrontation today and I'm glad to say that my boxing worked", or "I used my boxing successfully". However, substitute the name of many MAs, and almost any TMA, and I'm sure you've all heard people say (or type) such things.

Why do you suppose that is?

I'm not drawing any conclusions or disparaging anyone or anything, just putting it out there for discussion.

seanyseanybean · 11-18-2005, 08:13 AM

there was a guy i knew in my school, who was a fantastic under 18's amatuer boxer. Our families had some history together, our grandads boxed together and my uncle and his dad boxed together. I chose MA over boxing so i never really got to know him very well. (<----nothing to do with the story, just trying to set the scene

)
Anyway he was a skinny guy probably around 60kg at the time, but was reknowed at the school because of his boxing, he also had 2 very attractive older sisters which of course caused some problems. One time he got into a situation where he told a guy in year above us to back off. The guy wasnt too impressed and got 7 o f his mates and waited for him at the bus stop. they were all about 17yo, and the boxer was 15 or 16yo.
Some of the kids apperently had hammers but i didnt see any evidence of this. They ambushed him in full view of a double decker bus full of school kids. He ended up knocking 3 out, breaking 2 noses, and basically causing alot of blood. He was a bit beat up too but nothing compared to the amount he dished out.
He didnt need to brag because there was a bus load of kids who did that for him.
I think that boxers dont brag, because it would be stating the obvious, it works because it is simple. Theres no mystisism or tricks just what obviously works.
I think TMA brag when they effectively use their art as they have probably had alot of ppl, disrespect there art and say 'that wont in the real world cos' some will just do...' or whatever.
Mcdojos are to blame for this, because at every school there is 9 yr old squirt claiming to be a BB in a mystical art who can kill a guy with one finger, then he has his head knocked off by the school bully and every one is like 'HAHA karate doesnt work for shit!'

jubaji · 11-18-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by seanyseanybean

Mcdojos are to blame for this, because at every school there is 9 yr old squirt claiming to be a BB in a mystical art who can kill a guy with one finger, then he has his head knocked off by the school bully and every one is like 'HAHA karate doesnt work for shit!'

You're right about that. If I had a dime for every 10-11 year old BB I've met (come on now!). But just as damaging are the 40-something, paunchy, pony-tailed dojo-darlings who've never raised a hand in anger in their lives who simply must go on about how deadly they suppose they might be if possibly maybe this or that happened and then they would do this and this and that and the guy's neck is broken just like that!

seanyseanybean · 11-18-2005, 08:35 AM

hahaha, yea i had a jujitsu instructor like that when i was younger. He was fat and out of shape and had a pony tail and spent most of the lessons chatting shit about how he could kick chuck norris' ass

**Hardball** · 11-21-2005, 02:53 PM

Most boxers use sucker punches and end fights quickly in the street. In the street, a sucker punch is an awesome tool. Not too many people can recover from a sucker punch.

seppuku · 11-21-2005, 03:05 PM

if you take the punch tho youre in a better position.
say you swing for someone and hit him dead on and he doesnt drop. he's now pissed off and goes for you while youre thinking "oh.. that didnt do as much as i expected" and you get your ass kicked....
if you can take the sucker punch and grin, it upsets them somewhat and pisses you off. anger is useful when fighting lol

jubaji · 11-21-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Because most people are complete, mouth-breathing morons. Boxers and wrestlers don't generally care because to them, it's all the same. Either I won or he won - not "my art won, or his art won." They're athletes, so they recognize that it's the participant in the sport, not the sport itself that matters when it comes to who wins. MArtial arts instructors for some reason still feel a commercial need for building cult-like loyalty to their system (read: bank account) and so any success story out there has to be justification for why the style is best and the students should keep paying to learn it. It's all about the retirement fund, my friend.

My thoughts exactly.

**gregimotis** · 11-21-2005, 07:51 PM

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Have you noticed that you never hear a boxer or a wrestler or such say things like "My boxing works" or "In such and such situation I'm confident my boxing will win"?

On the other hand, if this forum is any indicator, you hear boxers/grapplers/etc. talk all day long about how much other arts suck.

They start threads to bash other arts, they enter forums about other arts and bash there, they even hijack threads about aspects of other arts and hijack same for bashing.

Honestly, is there anyone here who hasn't heard enough 'my art is teh l33t, your art suxxorz' crap? Let it go already.

BoarSpear · 11-21-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gregimotis

On the other hand, if this forum is any indicator, you hear boxers/grapplers/etc. talk all day long about how much other arts suck.

They start threads to bash other arts, they enter forums about other arts and bash there, they even hijack threads about aspects of other arts and hijack same for bashing.

Honestly, is there anyone here who hasn't heard enough 'my art is teh l33t, your art suxxorz' crap? Let it go already.

Exactly...just try to have a TMA discussion ...see how long it takes the boxers and wrestlers and bjj people (pick your favorite sport and insert) to show up and start making fun of things they dont even understand

**gregimotis** · 11-21-2005, 08:02 PM

Boar, your pretty smart for being a Pinko-hippie-longhair-commie-type.

Sensei Saki · 11-21-2005, 08:02 PM

I do not understand.

jubaji · 11-21-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gregimotis

On the other hand, if this forum is any indicator, you hear boxers/grapplers/etc. talk all day long about how much other arts suck.
They start threads to bash other arts, they enter forums about other arts and bash there, they even hijack threads about aspects of other arts and hijack same for bashing.

Really? I think you are thinking about young BJJ guys. And how much TMA bashing has not been preceeded by some outrageous and insubstantiated claims by TMA airheads? TMA deserves more level-headed representatives than are usually found on such forums.

Sensei Saki · 11-21-2005, 08:13 PM

For real.I will tell my botmaster you said I am thinking about young BJJ guys.How much do you think?I think there might be a few exception.

**gregimotis** · 11-21-2005, 08:15 PM

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And how much TMA bashing has not been preceeded by some outrageous and insubstantiated claims by TMA airheads?

You mean in this thread?

BoarSpear · 11-21-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sensei Saki

I do not understand.

funny you should mention not understanding, did you see what a hard time Bush had opening that door? apparently his earpeace failed and he couldnt understand directions on how to open the door

11-18-2005, 07:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
jubaji Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 8,523	Why, oh why? So, here's a question: Have you noticed that you never hear a boxer or a wrestler or such say things like "My boxing works" or "In such and such situation I'm confident my boxing will win"? In the event there are hostilities, you are likely to hear "I'll kick your ass, *@#$^%" if anything. Later, you are unlikely to hear the same person say "I got into a confrontation today and I'm glad to say that my boxing worked", or "I used my boxing successfully". However, substitute the name of many MAs, and almost any TMA, and I'm sure you've all heard people say (or type) such things. Why do you suppose that is? I'm not drawing any conclusions or disparaging anyone or anything, just putting it out there for discussion. __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

11-18-2005, 08:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
seanyseanybean Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: hertfordshire, uk Posts: 242	there was a guy i knew in my school, who was a fantastic under 18's amatuer boxer. Our families had some history together, our grandads boxed together and my uncle and his dad boxed together. I chose MA over boxing so i never really got to know him very well. (<----nothing to do with the story, just trying to set the scene ) Anyway he was a skinny guy probably around 60kg at the time, but was reknowed at the school because of his boxing, he also had 2 very attractive older sisters which of course caused some problems. One time he got into a situation where he told a guy in year above us to back off. The guy wasnt too impressed and got 7 o f his mates and waited for him at the bus stop. they were all about 17yo, and the boxer was 15 or 16yo. Some of the kids apperently had hammers but i didnt see any evidence of this. They ambushed him in full view of a double decker bus full of school kids. He ended up knocking 3 out, breaking 2 noses, and basically causing alot of blood. He was a bit beat up too but nothing compared to the amount he dished out. He didnt need to brag because there was a bus load of kids who did that for him. I think that boxers dont brag, because it would be stating the obvious, it works because it is simple. Theres no mystisism or tricks just what obviously works. I think TMA brag when they effectively use their art as they have probably had alot of ppl, disrespect there art and say 'that wont in the real world cos' some will just do...' or whatever. Mcdojos are to blame for this, because at every school there is 9 yr old squirt claiming to be a BB in a mystical art who can kill a guy with one finger, then he has his head knocked off by the school bully and every one is like 'HAHA karate doesnt work for shit!' __________________ Tang Soo Do for those who dont know = 60% Soo Bahk 30% Northen Chinese 10% Southern Chinese TSD is both a hard and soft style, derriving hardness from Soo Bahk, and soft flowing movements from Northen Chinese systems. edit:I cant belive i bought into this ^ lies, lies. TSD is shotokan with a Korean name and an emphasis on hip movement.

11-18-2005, 08:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
seanyseanybean Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: hertfordshire, uk Posts: 242	hahaha, yea i had a jujitsu instructor like that when i was younger. He was fat and out of shape and had a pony tail and spent most of the lessons chatting shit about how he could kick chuck norris' ass __________________ Tang Soo Do for those who dont know = 60% Soo Bahk 30% Northen Chinese 10% Southern Chinese TSD is both a hard and soft style, derriving hardness from Soo Bahk, and soft flowing movements from Northen Chinese systems. edit:I cant belive i bought into this ^ lies, lies. TSD is shotokan with a Korean name and an emphasis on hip movement.

11-21-2005, 02:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,316	Most boxers use sucker punches and end fights quickly in the street. In the street, a sucker punch is an awesome tool. Not too many people can recover from a sucker punch. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 44,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

11-21-2005, 08:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,987	Boar, your pretty smart for being a Pinko-hippie-longhair-commie-type. __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

11-21-2005, 03:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
seppuku Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 350	if you take the punch tho youre in a better position. say you swing for someone and hit him dead on and he doesnt drop. he's now pissed off and goes for you while youre thinking "oh.. that didnt do as much as i expected" and you get your ass kicked.... if you can take the sucker punch and grin, it upsets them somewhat and pisses you off. anger is useful when fighting lol

11-21-2005, 08:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sensei Saki "Endless Wisdom" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 781	I do not understand.

11-21-2005, 08:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sensei Saki "Endless Wisdom" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 781	For real.I will tell my botmaster you said I am thinking about young BJJ guys.How much do you think?I think there might be a few exception.

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