us troops outgunned in iraq??

EmptyneSs · 06-08-2006, 05:48 AM

http://cbs3.com/topstories/topstorie...158201927.html

evidently there is growing concern over the 5.56 mm ammo used by our troops vs the larger more powerful ak47 rounds used by insurgents.

even before reading this i had heard of us troops trading their m16s for ak47s they would find laying around iraq. way more stopping power. theres something wrong if our troops would rather use soviet era weaponry that has been sitting in the desert for years rather than what our government gives them.

BoarSpear · 06-08-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

http://cbs3.com/topstories/topstorie...158201927.html

evidently there is growing concern over the 5.56 mm ammo used by our troops vs the larger more powerful ak47 rounds used by insurgents.

even before reading this i had heard of us troops trading their m16s for ak47s they would find laying around iraq. way more stopping power. theres something wrong if our troops would rather use soviet era weaponry that has been sitting in the desert for years rather than what our government gives them.

Nah, we always have the best toys, havent you listened to the propaganda?!!

**kingoftheforest** · 06-08-2006, 01:23 PM

Gee trade in a gun with parts made by Matel, you know the guys who make barbie and G.I. Joe action figures., for a weapon made or metal. Thats a tuff one.

**kingoftheforest** · 06-08-2006, 02:29 PM

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nutter · 06-08-2006, 03:39 PM

The Russian designed eyeraqi made guns is just better innit

EmptyneSs · 06-08-2006, 07:46 PM

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Whoever neg reped me for my last post in here that's fine it's your opinion...but grow the hair on your nuts to sign your rep. I sign all of mine KOTF for those who are slow.

Oh and whoever you are you don't carry any weight on your rep so

NAH NAH

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EmptyneSs · 06-08-2006, 07:52 PM

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The Russian designed eyeraqi made guns is just better innit

its true. the ak47 design is still one of the best and most reliable after all these years. and if you notice, the insurgents use modified versions of the ak47 for other roles as well lol. like for example, their sniper rifles are just ak47s with longer barrels, a scope, and single shots lol. even fires the same ammo. or like their their support machine guns, they are just the same ak47 design modified to be a squad support gun lol.

just look at this pic taken on a sunny afternoon in beautiful Ramadi, Iraq.

Garland · 06-08-2006, 08:02 PM

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EmptyneSs · 06-08-2006, 08:05 PM

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Empty...I love you're fucking signature...who is it?

its from this underground rap song called Savage as **** by Andre Nickatina and Smoov-E. if you like the sig, check out the song. its pretty funny.

m_calingo · 06-09-2006, 12:37 AM

If I'm not mistaken, the AR15, the predecessor of the M16, was a very effective man-stopper in the early phase of the Viet Nam war.

The story was, the AR15 had fewer "turns" in the barrel for the bullet to follow, and therefore the bullet was less stable once it hit flesh. Once the bullet entered the chest cavity, it caromed here and there bouncing around like a buzzsaw pinball creating massive, horrific wounds.

Once the US Army adopted the AR15 as the new service rifle, it changed a couple of things, and somehow it appears they didn't bother to consult with Eugene Stoner, the designer of the AR15.

They changed the propellant in the cartridge from one that already worked perfectly in the tropics to one that would function in arctic conditions, and everywhere else too. The downside to this is the propellant didn't burn off completely as the original one, and this caused unburned propellant to gunk up the gas operation of the rifle. Usually often, and unfortunately, almost always at the worst time.

Another change was to increase the number of twists in the barrel to give the bullet greater stability in flight. This may have increased the range of the bullet, but the pinball effect in the chest cavity was lost. In addition, if one uses the M16 to shoot beyond a certain range the hydrostatic shock wave effect is lost, so all the shooter achieves is stitching little .22 caliber holes in the body of the enemy.

Discovery Channel did a comparison of the M16 vs. the AK47, and the AK47 won based on its reliability in field conditions (dirt, mud, sand, wet, whatever) and its heavier bullet which would shoot through barricades that the lighter .223 round would not penetrate. Those heavier AK47 bullets most likely go thru walls of apartments and houses in Iraq compared to the .223 ammos our guys use.

Yeah, I can see why our guys would rather use AK's.

EmptyneSs · 06-09-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by m_calingo

If I'm not mistaken, the AR15, the predecessor of the M16, was a very effective man-stopper in the early phase of the Viet Nam war.

The story was, the AR15 had fewer "turns" in the barrel for the bullet to follow, and therefore the bullet was less stable once it hit flesh. Once the bullet entered the chest cavity, it caromed here and there bouncing around like a buzzsaw pinball creating massive, horrific wounds.

Once the US Army adopted the AR15 as the new service rifle, it changed a couple of things, and somehow it appears they didn't bother to consult with Eugene Stoner, the designer of the AR15.

They changed the propellant in the cartridge from one that already worked perfectly in the tropics to one that would function in arctic conditions, and everywhere else too. The downside to this is the propellant didn't burn off completely as the original one, and this caused unburned propellant to gunk up the gas operation of the rifle. Usually often, and unfortunately, almost always at the worst time.

Another change was to increase the number of twists in the barrel to give the bullet greater stability in flight. This may have increased the range of the bullet, but the pinball effect in the chest cavity was lost. In addition, if one uses the M16 to shoot beyond a certain range the hydrostatic shock wave effect is lost, so all the shooter achieves is stitching little .22 caliber holes in the body of the enemy.

Discovery Channel did a comparison of the M16 vs. the AK47, and the AK47 won based on its reliability in field conditions (dirt, mud, sand, wet, whatever) and its heavier bullet which would shoot through barricades that the lighter .223 round would penetrate. Those heavier bullets most likely go thru walls of apartments and houses in Iraq compared to the .223 ammos our guys use.

Yeah, I can see why our guys would rather use AK's.

good post. good info.

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EmptyneSs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cali Posts: 2,120	us troops outgunned in iraq?? http://cbs3.com/topstories/topstorie...158201927.html evidently there is growing concern over the 5.56 mm ammo used by our troops vs the larger more powerful ak47 rounds used by insurgents. even before reading this i had heard of us troops trading their m16s for ak47s they would find laying around iraq. way more stopping power. theres something wrong if our troops would rather use soviet era weaponry that has been sitting in the desert for years rather than what our government gives them.

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m_calingo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 107	If I'm not mistaken, the AR15, the predecessor of the M16, was a very effective man-stopper in the early phase of the Viet Nam war. The story was, the AR15 had fewer "turns" in the barrel for the bullet to follow, and therefore the bullet was less stable once it hit flesh. Once the bullet entered the chest cavity, it caromed here and there bouncing around like a buzzsaw pinball creating massive, horrific wounds. Once the US Army adopted the AR15 as the new service rifle, it changed a couple of things, and somehow it appears they didn't bother to consult with Eugene Stoner, the designer of the AR15. They changed the propellant in the cartridge from one that already worked perfectly in the tropics to one that would function in arctic conditions, and everywhere else too. The downside to this is the propellant didn't burn off completely as the original one, and this caused unburned propellant to gunk up the gas operation of the rifle. Usually often, and unfortunately, almost always at the worst time. Another change was to increase the number of twists in the barrel to give the bullet greater stability in flight. This may have increased the range of the bullet, but the pinball effect in the chest cavity was lost. In addition, if one uses the M16 to shoot beyond a certain range the hydrostatic shock wave effect is lost, so all the shooter achieves is stitching little .22 caliber holes in the body of the enemy. Discovery Channel did a comparison of the M16 vs. the AK47, and the AK47 won based on its reliability in field conditions (dirt, mud, sand, wet, whatever) and its heavier bullet which would shoot through barricades that the lighter .223 round would not penetrate. Those heavier AK47 bullets most likely go thru walls of apartments and houses in Iraq compared to the .223 ammos our guys use. Yeah, I can see why our guys would rather use AK's.

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