DickHardman

you guys remember this thread?

slayer31

nice lil view on humanity for us all... prison is no joke.

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The_Judo_Jibboo

How 'bout this question, it's basic, but very important to have a firm conception of if you're going to discuss anything about prison; what is the purpose of prison in the first place?

I personally believe we should send men to prison with one or both of two goals only. In the case of murder, attempted murder (attempted murder get's the same treatment in my book, you don't get off easier for being incompetent) and rape, the goal is to seperate that person from society and prevent them from doing further harm. Life in prison with no possibility of parole, because people who commit those crimes are not worth the risk of being let back out into the population. For lesser crimes, the goal of prison should be rehabilitation.

Punishment, in my opinion, does not enter into the equation. I don't support state-sponsored revenge, which is exactly what it is to send people to prison for "punishment." What are the reasons for such punishment? As has been pointed out, this kind of treatment often ends up with more dangerous characters leaving prison than going in. Why would we take someone off the street, treat them horribly for several years, and expect them to be more upstanding when we let them out? Every study I've seen says that nothing short of swift execution (swift meaning nearly immediate, sentence is passed, walk the guy down the courtroom steps to the gallows. no appeal) acts as a deterrent. How many people in the history of murder do you think have paused with that knife raised and thought "I could go to jail for this"? It simply does not happen.

Don't get me wrong, prison should suck ass (not in the literal salad tossing sense though). But the ass-suckingness of prison should be a means to an end, not the goal itself.

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So the real message here is that in a SD situation you should always take off your trousers...
-jubaji

Blue Wave Gym

first the death penalty to murders and rapists and child molesters
then have 2 types of facilities prisions fro violent offenders and work camps for nonviolent offenders. Next legaize drugs so the junkies wasting thier time behind bars can just go to treatmant or od. people who steal should have to pay back what they stole by working it offf either in a camp or on the outside.
Now we have alot of free space don't we. The war on drugs is such a complete waste of resources it laughable.

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Troll Virus

Ideally, it should be about 'consequence'.
Recognising that your actions have potential consequence.

We live in a society where too many people get away with innapropriate behaviour simply because they have no fear of the consequences.

Taking a life, theiving, raping etc, show a total disregard for co-habitants of this planet.
They give up their right to any semblance of humanity when they do so.
I'll be fucked if my hard earned/heavily taxed dough is going to go towards 'making them a better person'
Two hours with me in an old disused barn and they'll never break a law again.

I don't believe in physically punishing children, which was brought up earlier in this thread, but I do believe that those who seek to live outside or exploit the laws of the country deserve everything they get.

Prison inmates should only get a visit from "Bubba the back door bandit" if that's something they find unpleasant.

g-bells

people on death row should get just that....death.. we need to quit wasting our money on their appeals and the crossing and dotting of i's and t's and follow through

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Mr. Arieson

I agree. Except I am more in favor of permanent banishment to a prison island with no ammenities for the first three types of criminals you mentioned. Let them kill each other off, and save us the trouble. Drop some wild goats and maybe some seeds on this same island. Ring the island with floating platforms with motion sensors, armed guards, radar, infrared detectors, and anything else to prevent them from ever leaving.

The_Judo_Jibboo

This makes perfect sense from our common sense view point, but as i said, from every study i've heard the possibility of imprisonment is an ineffective threat of consequence. You've got to realize the profound differences in circumstances between you or me and a man who finds the most appealing option is to go down to the corner and rob a bank.

And i totally understand the sentiment "I'll be fucked if my hard earned/heavily taxed dough is going to go towards 'making them a better person'" but at the same time, if you ever plan to let a person out of prison, it is incredibly short-sighted to not try to improve their ability to function in society. For the guys who get life, send them to an island where they can play Lord of the Flies for the rest of their lives, i don't care what happens to them, but why on earth would you take a man who struggles to function in a society, treat him like a dog for 5 years, then put him back in? it makes no sense.

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So the real message here is that in a SD situation you should always take off your trousers...
-jubaji

Troll Virus

For sure.
Prison is no threat or 'consequence of doom' to a criminal.
That's because, as I think Mike said, it's probably a step-up in living standards for many.
That's not a failure of the prison system, but of the jelly-kneed politicians who decide policy.
Instead, prison, is a paid holiday with mod-cons.

So make them pay for it.
Like students in the UK currently have to do.
They have to pay back their study fee's from any future earnings they get.
That's not short sighted, but fair and just?

DickHardman

wtf? didnt you see the video clips i posted? you really thinking getting ass raped and being made to become some mans wife in his cell under threat of getting stabbed to death a holiday? you really think being forced to suck another mans asshole or give him oral sex whenever he demands, or else you get beaten or stabbed to death a step up in living conditions????????

Troll Virus

The behaviour you describe, is not restricted to those encarcerated.
Make a big Drama out of that.

DickHardman

well, i understand that the acts described and forced on others in prison doesnt seem to be a big deal at all for you considering you compared them to taking a paid vacation. makes me wonder what your vacations are like...

Troll Virus

Keep your fantasies to yourself.
Hush now, the grownups were trying to have a conversation.

DickHardman

you are the one who said getting raped and having to eat ass is the same as taking a paid vacation, not me. now you try to say its my fantasy? lol, thats rich.

Troll Virus

Not at all.
You're playing word bending games to suit your own homoerotic agenda.
the snips of my posts were in reply to Judo Jibboo, hence I quoted his post and replied to it.

Now if you want to discuss anything of merit;
Why did the guy being interviewed in the first clip you posted, insist that he was NOT gay?