All You Brits! I Need News!

Mike Brewer · 04-07-2008, 04:34 PM

Ghost, Michael, and anyone else in the UK:

I am sad to say that although one of the most important terrorism trials is reaching a major milestone in British court today, there's not one news story here in the US covering the news. The plot that British officials uncovered amounts to the most serious terrorist threat ever undertaken, and would have caused more damage than 9-11. These bombers decided to hijack aircraft and simply blow them up over cities, allowing them to crash at random instead of directing them at buildings. They targeted Canada, Washington D.C. and others in their plot to use peroxide bombs to wreak havoc. Additionally, the inclusion of their martyrdom videos into evidence is a landmark precedent and a victory for common sense the world over. Originally, there was speculation that these videos could not be shown or ised as evidence against the accused. Even though they are, in effect, confessions in the terrorists' own words, they were considered by some as "self-incriminating." Never mind the notion that the whole purpose of the videos was to take credit for the event in the first place...

Anyway, I'd really like to know what's happening with this case, and I'd appreciate any coverage you guys might provide (or direct me to).

Thanks, and Britain Rocks!!

(By the way, I attended a lecture today by one of your British countrymen on the topic of U.S. and U.K. cooperation before and after Pearl Harbor. His name is Christopher Andrew, and he's a Professor at Cambridge. He knew all about the case, but also said he had not seen a single news story about it here in the States.)

aseepish · 04-07-2008, 11:59 PM

BBC Coverage
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7334453.stm

Sunday Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3671825.ece

The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nterror207.xml

The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/ap...curity.ukcrime

Canadian Coverage (AP feed)
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...ot-leader.html

When the decision is eventually reported, you should be able to find it here: http://www.bailii.org/

Mike Brewer · 04-08-2008, 08:49 AM

An excerpt for those who haven't been following:

Quote:

Several members of a group accused of plotting to blow up passenger planes may have been inspired by the 2005 London bombings, a court has heard.

Police found photos at one man's home showing the suicide bombers who killed 52 people in attacks on the city's transport network, jurors were told.

Woolwich Crown Court also heard that had the alleged plot succeeded, the "world was unlikely to ever forget".

All eight men deny conspiring to murder and endangering aircraft in 2006.

Their arrests in August that year led to a ban on passengers carrying most liquids on board aircraft.

'Spartan existence'

On the third day of the trial, prosecutor Peter Wright QC said every one of the eight men played a vital role in the conspiracy to detonate homemade bombs aboard flights bound for north America.

"From commanding officer through quartermaster to foot soldier, each of them was a necessary component part; of those who had assembled in the UK ready, able and willing to play their part in this plot to try and bring terror to the skies in a way that the world was unlikely to ever forget," he said.

He described Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 27, Assad Sarwar, 24, and Mohammed Gulzar, 26, as the ringleaders.

EIGHT ACCUSED MEN
TOP ROW OF PICTURE (L-R):
Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 27
Assad Sarwar, 24
Tanvir Hussain, 27
Mohammed Gulzar, 26
BOTTOM ROW (L-R):
Ibrahim Savant, 27
Arafat Waheed Khan, 26
Waheed Zaman, 23
Umar Islam, 29

The 'airliners plot' allegations

The plot involved transforming a top-floor flat in Walthamstow, east London, into a bomb factory in July 2006, Mr Wright told the court.

They planned to make hydrogen peroxide bombs disguised as soft drinks before detonating them in mid-air on an least seven passenger planes flying out of Heathrow Airport, he said.

The jury heard how Mr Gulzar flew into the UK from South Africa on 18 July 2006 on a false passport.

"He entered the UK as a radicalised Islamist pursuing a violent agenda," Mr Wright said.

"He led a Spartan existence so as not to draw attention to himself in the prelude of what would be a violent and bloody statement of intent."

A police search of his home in Barking, east London, revealed he had slept on a mattress and had very few personal possessions.

Suicide videos

Mr Wright told jurors Mr Gulzar had arrived in the UK with his new wife, who only had a one-way ticket, and soon flew on to Belgium.

He said there was little evidence the couple spent any time together and described the marriage as little more than cover for his ulterior motive to join the conspiracy.

The jury was told Mr Gulzar was not a "foot soldier" and had not intended to die on one of the targeted flights.

Arafat Waheed Khan, 26, however was an intended suicide bomber, Mr Wright said, as well as an "important conduit" between co-defendants, Mr Ali and Mr Sarwar.

He said Mr Khan's passport showed he had travelled to Pakistan between October 2005 and January 2006 at the same time as Mr Ali and Mr Sarwar.

Mr Khan was directly involved in buying bomb-making equipment and appeared in two separate suicide videos, Mr Wright added.

'Spilt blood'

Another defendant, 29-year-old Umar Islam, was found to have photographs of the 7 July suicide bombers and a martyrdom video by the gang leader at his home in Plaistow, east London, the jury was told.

Defendants allegedly played tennis during visits to this flat

The court also heard CDs about jihad and martyrdom were found at a house in Walthamstow, where 23-year-old Waheed Zaman, another of the alleged plotters, lived.

One CD was called 19 Martyrs - which Mr Wright said referred to those who died in the attacks on New York's World Trade Center in September 2001.

Two other CDs were called Crusaders Return and contained images of Osama Bin Laden, and a fourth was entitled Operation JH (or Jihad), he said.

On his arrest, Mr Zaman was carrying two mobile phones, one of which contained text messages referring to paradise and "blood spilt for the sake of Allah", the court was told.

Earlier, the jury heard some of the group played tennis as they finalised their plans.

Undercover police watched Mr Ali, Mr Khan and Tanvir Hussain, 27, playing in July 2006 in between visits to the flat in Walthamstow where liquid bombs were being prepared and suicide videos recorded.

The eighth defendant is Ibrahim Savant, 27, of Stoke Newington.

Michael Wright · 04-08-2008, 09:20 AM

I live in the hub of all this, Finsbury Park in North London, home to the famous Mosque where Abu Hamza used to preach.

The other weekend a load of his followers gathered in the Park and held an event, chanting their messages of hate against the West.

I was going to have a wander down there with a big piece of wood and say lets sort this out, but that would have been seen as inciting racial hatred. And we wouldn't want that would we.

Mike Brewer · 04-08-2008, 09:25 AM

No, we wouldn't. Someone would try to kill the Pope in retaliation or something. They burned churches and killed priests and nuns for a cartoon, for ****'s sake. Can you imagine the backlash that would follow a bald Londoner swaggering into a corwn and applying a liberal dose of Ye Olde Lumber across the well-deserving ears and necks of asshole radical protestors?

I think it's great that if you did that, you'd be inciting racial hate. But them being there chanting "Death to the West" is well within their rights, and is in no way a hate-inspiring message.

You might want to stop by the "Peaceful, Moderate Islam" thread.

Michael Wright · 04-08-2008, 10:04 AM

......less of the bald, Brewer!

Mike Brewer · 04-08-2008, 11:11 AM

Sorry, meant no offense. I thought you shaved the ol' dome for fighting aerodynamics. Doesn't matter if it's shaved or not...anyone who moves like this has nothing to worry about!

YouTube Video

And since I don't want you roughing me up like that, I'll say it again - I meant no offense.

Michael Wright · 04-08-2008, 11:35 AM

ha ha, yeah right! Maybe when we are in our 90's and busting some Silat moves on each other, I may catch you with a lucky foot sweep. Until that day, not much chance of me ever putting you on your ass!

I grew my hair back, the POW look just didn't suit me. Think I'm gonna go for a mullet, if its good enough for Vu its good enough for me.

Mike Brewer · 04-08-2008, 11:51 AM

AAARRRGHH! The humanity!!

Britt · 04-08-2008, 02:24 PM

That's a cool video!

Mike Brewer · 04-08-2008, 03:20 PM

And you're a cool Brit (t)

Britt · 04-08-2008, 03:29 PM

Aw, shucks.

Mike Brewer · 04-08-2008, 03:35 PM

Michael, you gotta check this out:

http://www.mulletsgalore.com/

Ghost · 04-08-2008, 03:56 PM

man that finsbury park group are so annoying. they really should be banned they come out with utmost crap.

men angry about their lives and using this as an excuse to vent imo.

Ahsen · 04-10-2008, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost

man that finsbury park group are so annoying. they really should be banned they come out with utmost crap.

men angry about their lives and using this as an excuse to vent imo.

Men you mean Boys who are brain washed into radicalism.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

I was going to have a wander down there with a big piece of wood and say lets sort this out, but that would have been seen as inciting racial hatred. And we wouldn't want that would we.

Yeah I was going to do that aswell to the next Non-mulsim who says that I should be kicked out of the UK cus I'm Muslim and
because certain a retard decide to blow himslf up and the peaceful law abiding muslim takes the flak
Yeah I was going to get the cricket bat but like you said it would have been seen as inciting racial hatred against the non-muslims (whites). And we wouldn't want that would we.

What happen to the folks who got locked up in Gauntano and Belfast, quite a far fetch to say the LAw aint working when there are terroist suppect being lock up especially without trial !

04-07-2008, 04:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	All You Brits! I Need News! Ghost, Michael, and anyone else in the UK: I am sad to say that although one of the most important terrorism trials is reaching a major milestone in British court today, there's not one news story here in the US covering the news. The plot that British officials uncovered amounts to the most serious terrorist threat ever undertaken, and would have caused more damage than 9-11. These bombers decided to hijack aircraft and simply blow them up over cities, allowing them to crash at random instead of directing them at buildings. They targeted Canada, Washington D.C. and others in their plot to use peroxide bombs to wreak havoc. Additionally, the inclusion of their martyrdom videos into evidence is a landmark precedent and a victory for common sense the world over. Originally, there was speculation that these videos could not be shown or ised as evidence against the accused. Even though they are, in effect, confessions in the terrorists' own words, they were considered by some as "self-incriminating." Never mind the notion that the whole purpose of the videos was to take credit for the event in the first place... Anyway, I'd really like to know what's happening with this case, and I'd appreciate any coverage you guys might provide (or direct me to). Thanks, and Britain Rocks!! (By the way, I attended a lecture today by one of your British countrymen on the topic of U.S. and U.K. cooperation before and after Pearl Harbor. His name is Christopher Andrew, and he's a Professor at Cambridge. He knew all about the case, but also said he had not seen a single news story about it here in the States.)

04-07-2008, 11:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,603	BBC Coverage http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7334453.stm Sunday Times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3671825.ece The Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nterror207.xml The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/ap...curity.ukcrime Canadian Coverage (AP feed) http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...ot-leader.html When the decision is eventually reported, you should be able to find it here: http://www.bailii.org/ __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

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04-08-2008, 09:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 912	I live in the hub of all this, Finsbury Park in North London, home to the famous Mosque where Abu Hamza used to preach. The other weekend a load of his followers gathered in the Park and held an event, chanting their messages of hate against the West. I was going to have a wander down there with a big piece of wood and say lets sort this out, but that would have been seen as inciting racial hatred. And we wouldn't want that would we.

04-08-2008, 09:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	No, we wouldn't. Someone would try to kill the Pope in retaliation or something. They burned churches and killed priests and nuns for a cartoon, for ****'s sake. Can you imagine the backlash that would follow a bald Londoner swaggering into a corwn and applying a liberal dose of Ye Olde Lumber across the well-deserving ears and necks of asshole radical protestors? I think it's great that if you did that, you'd be inciting racial hate. But them being there chanting "Death to the West" is well within their rights, and is in no way a hate-inspiring message. You might want to stop by the "Peaceful, Moderate Islam" thread.

04-08-2008, 10:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 912	......less of the bald, Brewer!

04-08-2008, 11:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 912	ha ha, yeah right! Maybe when we are in our 90's and busting some Silat moves on each other, I may catch you with a lucky foot sweep. Until that day, not much chance of me ever putting you on your ass! I grew my hair back, the POW look just didn't suit me. Think I'm gonna go for a mullet, if its good enough for Vu its good enough for me.

04-08-2008, 11:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	AAARRRGHH! The humanity!!

04-08-2008, 02:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Britt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 557	That's a cool video!

04-08-2008, 03:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	And you're a cool Brit (t)

04-08-2008, 03:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Britt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 557	Aw, shucks.

04-08-2008, 03:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	Michael, you gotta check this out: http://www.mulletsgalore.com/

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