jubaji

Oh it's safe there in Europe's most violent nation? You said you were well aware but then you go on to make illogical conclusions. I thought you were just young and ignorant, but maybe you are simply not too bright.

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jubaji

Are you kidding me? It's one thing to be ignorant of another country's history, but your own?....?!





Are you on drugs, kid?

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Out of all the problems I have with Barrack Obama (in-which there are many) the one thing that concerns me the most is “wealth redistribution”…I mean wealth confiscation.

I am hitting this one hard because I think the economy is what many Americans are voting on most, and where Barrack seems to have some advantage over McCain, although I don’t know why. As I have explained earlier in the thread the current state of our economy was caused by government interference with the free markets, and in some cases; government collusion with big business and special interest groups such as ACORN. I also explained that the democrats are more to blame for perpetrating this crisis than are the republicans, although republicans share some responsibility for this mess too.

What folks (voters) don’t seem to realize or in the zealousness for "change" (even if that change is for the worse) don’t understand the insidious consequences of socialism. Socialism begets socialism magnifying its effect with dangerous consequences.

As an example:

Government interferes in the free markets (such as fairness in lending—lending to low income high credit risk folks), Freddie and Fannie (part government, part publicly traded business) buys up many of these loans…The banks see less risk because Freddie-Mack is buying up many of these high risk loans. Banks are also being pressured to loan money to low income high risk folks by the government and lobbyists, and protested and intimidated by citizen groups like community organizer ACORN.

There is direct government interference in what should be a free market. There is also government in collusion with big business and citizen groups lobbying the politicians to become more involved. Then it all comes crashing down.

What is the Remedy? Allow corporate Darwinism and the weak businesses to shake out and get the government out of the business of big business (and small business too).

The Great depression was caused by government interference with the free markets and it was made worse and prolonged because the people wanted government to fix it, the same people who broke it in the first place, and the government was happy to oblige.

Today the answer our politicians are giving us is more of the same; instead of less government and less government regulation the call is for more…Socialism begetting socialism.

Socialism also begets socialism because once you institutionalize handouts the recipients getting those handouts don’t want it to give them up. In fact, it is human nature to want more and it is in a politician’s nature to want votes so he’ll promise those voters more…At least until it all comes crashing down again. Then the cycle repeats—blame it on the other party, blame it on the rich capitalists, blame on the mean people who want to show restraint and responsibility, etc, etc, and then the call for more government regulation.

When someone complains about socialism supporters of social programs often reply, we already have socialism; look at Medicare, social security, and public education—as an excuse to justify more. We need to break the cycle folks; we need to show restraint and tell our leaders to stop spending our money.

Don’t let the feeling of victimization beget more victimization. If you aren’t in a place you want to be, do something about it, go back to school, learn new skill, find a different job, work for that promotion, discipline your self and work hard and don’t quit. Keep on your goals with pit-bull tenacity….You can only elevate yourself it isn’t someone else’s job to do it for you.

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darrianation

Please read this article: Obama and the Tax Tipping Point - WSJ.com and tell me how did we get so far up the ASS of socialism?

It was Hugo Chavez who said, not long ago, the United States Constitution is too individualistic and ought to be reformed to be more socialist.

Barrack Obama’s policies seem to agree with Mr. Chavez. In this video, please listen” to the audio:



Barrack is concerned the Constitution places too many limitations upon the government when he complained about the Warren Court didn’t do enough to facilitate redistributive economic policies. What Obama really wanted was for the courts to impose a “right” to welfare.

Barrck Obama wants to impose significantly higher taxes on the most successful individuals and companies in our nation, thus creating incentives for them to work less, produce less, or shift their activities abroad. This is a recipe for decline in America.

Obama believes that some individuals’ productive efforts should be taken and given to other non-producers at the whim of government. He wants to create a permanent class of give-me’s that will continue to ask for more and more give-me’s. The end result is the give-me’s keep asking for more unearned benefits believing they are entitled to them and before long there won’t be any because the productive class will have given up on giving more and more of their wealth and go on vacation while the give-me’s complain about not having enough.

What wealth redistribution really amounts too is wealth confiscation and legalized plunder.

Frederic Bastiat (French economist and theorist in the mid 1800’s) points out that once the government over steps the clear line between the protective role into the aggressive role of redistributing the wealth and providing so called benefits for some of its citizens; it becomes a means for what he accurately described as legalized plunder.

Bastiat explains legal plunder:

“When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed…

How is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them. And gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen by himself cannot do without committing a crime…”
(The Law)

What Bastiat observed, and history has proven, is class struggle or “class warfare’ where each class or special interest group competes with others to tilt the balance of governmental power in their favor. As an example of this, labor seeks a higher minimum wage, so agriculture seeks a price support. Consumers demand price controls, and industry gets protective tariffs. In the end, no one is any better off and everyone suffers the burdens of a monolithic bureaucracy. With each group out to get what they perceive belongs to them, an obliging government hungry for money and voters expands into a gigantic welfare state. Once this process begins giving way to redistributive functions—forces are unleashed that drive a nation towards totalitarianism.

It is Marxist doctrine that says, a human being is primarily an economic creature. In other words, his material well-being is all important; his privacy and his freedom are strictly secondary. Is that what we are, economic cattle? Let me ask you, what secured rights do prisoners have? They are guaranteed food, clothing, housing, and medical care. These are the rights guaranteed in the “soviet constitution”.

Socialism assumes our money belongs to the government and what they don’t tax is a gift to us from them. It is irresponsible and puts us on the road to becoming kept citizens because socialism consumes the fruits of your labor and individual liberty.

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darrianation

What is the American model?

The constitution is very strong on property rights—what belongs to you is yours. If someone tries to take it from you, you can stop him yourself or call the sheriff. Our founders understood that in democracies the majority can take property from the minority so the framers of the constitution put in safeguards so this wouldn’t happen.

Of course our government violates these rights daily but that doesn’t justify more violation.

The Bill of Rights is a document that specifically protects individual liberties—it doesn’t grant rights, it PROTECTS them, and it doesn’t protect collective rights. In other words no special groups of people have protected rights under the Bill of Rights and that is why we are a constitutional republic—ruled by law not by majority opinion.

Another thing our founders understood very well was the importance of property rights as an integral component of individual liberty. This is the private ownership of land, livestock, the money you’ve earned, etc, etc. And they also understood the fact that incentive, creativity, and productivity is more often than not propagated by reward and dignity is a product of self-achievement.

So they created a nation of opportunity but not one of guarantee. In America anyone, regardless of gender, race, or financial status, can succeed if they are willing to get an education, have a strong work ethic, and exercise good judgment in the choices they make but the opportunity is there for everyone even though not everyone will take advantage of those opportunities.

I think the principles of American economic philosophy are best described in G Edward Griffin’s book “The Fearful Master”:

1. Economic security for all is impossible without widespread abundance.
2. Abundance is impossible without industrious and efficient production.
3. Such production is impossible without energetic, willing and eager labor.
4. This is impossible without incentive.
5. Of all forms of incentive—the freedom to attain a reward for one’s labors is the most sustaining for most people. Sometimes called profit motive, it is simply the right to plan and to earn and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
6. This profit motive diminishes as government controls, regulations and taxes increase to deny the fruits of success to those who produce.
7. Therefore any attempt through governmental intervention to redistribute the material rewards of labor can only result in the eventual destruction of the productive base of society, without which real abundance and security for more than the ruling elite is quite impossible.

What is the true role of government? The single most important function of government is to secure the right and freedoms of individual citizens.

I think a great model for government can be found in the Alabama constitution which states:

“That the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, property, and when government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.” (Art1, sec 35)

The role of government in protecting individual and property rights:

“I have said, very many times,...that no man believed more than I in the principles of self-government; that lies at the bottom of all my ideas of just government, from beginning to end. I believe that each individual is naturally entitled to do as he pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so as it in no wise interferes with any other’s rights.” (Abraham Lincoln)

Over and over again we see the fundamental guiding principles of “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” are intertwined with limited government and property rights.

Are we sowing the seeds of our own destruction?

Abraham Lincoln said, “If danger ever reaches us it must spring up from amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

George Washington warned, “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence—it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master!”

Phillip Van Stern said:

“The fight for freedom is an endless battle. Its victories are never finale; its defeats never permanent. Each generation must defend its heritage, for each seeming conquest gives rise to new forces that will attempt to substitute fresh means of opposition for the old. ”

Are folks getting tired of the fight for freedom? Is that why so many Americans today put their faith in government and socialist institutions? It may or may not be to late to recapture what the Republic once was and is suppose to be, but that isn’t justification for surrendering what we have left of it.

In 1787 Edward Gibbons in his book “The Decline and fall of the Roman Empire” describes the fall:

1. The undermining of the dignity and sanctity of the home, which is the basis of human family.
2. Higher and higher taxes and spending of public moneys for free bread and circuses for the populace.
3. The decay of religion—faith fading into mere form, losing touch with life and becoming impotent to warn and guide the people.

*the other two components had to do with brutal sport and huge armaments.

Are some of the same things happening today in America that caused the fall of Rome?

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darrianation

Spread the wealth around

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darrianation

Obama, more change—Barrack Obama can’t make up his mind on a definition of "the rich.

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darrianation

Senator Stealth
How to advance radical causes when no one’s looking.

By Stanley Kurtz
AUTHOR'S NOTE: When I wrote “Senator Stealth,” just over two months ago, it still seemed realistic to expect that its revelations might stimulate press follow-up. After all, the Wright affair had occasioned significant media interest. Since “Senator Stealth” established that Barack Obama had intimate and long-standing ties to yet another organization with Wright-like anti-American views, the piece’s news value seemed obvious. The Wright affair was no fluke, but part of a systematic pattern. Unfortunately, as Obama moved closer to nominee status, the press circled the wagons and began its own systematic pattern of refusing to question or report on his past.

Beyond its revelation that Obama’s original community organizer home-base is pervaded by anti-Americanism, “Senator Stealth” foreshadows today’s debates over redistributionism, and shows that concerns over Obama’s radical “associations” cannot be separated from the most significant policy disputes of the campaign.

“Senator Stealth” also lays out a way of resolving the contradiction between Obama’s radical past and his apparently moderate present. After learning that incrementalism, rhetorical disguise, and ideological stealth are second nature to Obama’s community organizer compatriots, it’s tougher to take his current self-presentation at face value. More than two months later, the same issues play out in the latest flap over Obama’s ties to the New Party.

[Link to New Paty article: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Y3ZjZkMTg0OTM]

Finally, I couldn’t have guessed, more than two months ago, that the Obama campaign, abetted by the press, would have taken refuge in near-total denial of his unsavory associations, from the question of his New Party membership, to the relationship to Bill Ayers, to the links to ACORN. Obama has downplayed or denied these many ties to an extent that is shockingly at odds with the public record, while the press has played along.

As the race tightens, let us hope that, however belatedly, the sheer weight of questions and revelations are beginning to take their toll. — Stanley Kurtz

Rest of story:Senator Stealth by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

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eXcessiveForce

Just for You Mr. Arieson

A christian perspective on wealth redistribution

This guy can get a bit out there, but for those of you who think that Jesus would support redistribution you need to listen to what this man is saying.

YouTube - The Redistribution of Wealth


2 Thessalonians 3 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society


2 Thessalonians 3


Warning Against Idleness

6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." 11We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. 13And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right.
14If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.


The Parable of the Talents

14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money. 19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
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eXcessiveForce

Personally I want Objectivism to be the Law of the Land

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jubaji

Is that your subjective view?

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darrianation

You haven't been reading what I have been posting have you? ACORN has been in the for front of the housing scandal. They were using intimidation tactics to force banks into lending to high risk folks. ACORN lobbied Clinton to put pressure on the mortgage companies and he did.

I posted this on page one of this thread- ACORN’s involvement in the sub-prime debacle:

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/...rus_133375.htm

Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!! (Also on page one of this thread.



BTW this all came about because of President Carter.

Go back and read Part 2 on page one of this thread, I explained all this in detail.

The point is, The dems have more to blame for our current crises than the Republicans and folks want to trust the dems to fix it? Not very smart.

More proof:

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eXcessiveForce

Did you watch the video? I would guess not.


And You are asking me what I think, I just posted what the bible says. It doesn't have anything to do with republicans, just with the religion that you claim you follow.

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additionally you said earlier that Jesus was a hippy living in a communal environment, but the words of the apostles contradict that statement.

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darrianation

This threads has but one purpose; to piss you off.

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The law of tyranny:

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3. If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail.


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