Thread: Rant about America's future

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

No, it does not make me mad. Just deeply sad. Sad that nice people get so mislead and brainwashed by the people who really pull the strings in the world.

Brain washed? The liberals are a cult of wish-worshipers who suffer from end-stage pragmatism.

It is this end-stage pragmatism that allows the liberals to ignore the fact that “wealth-redistribution” goes against every tenant of individual liberty.

It allows liberals to ignore Barrack Obama’s long time indoctrination into communist doctrines of Cone, Wright, Ayers, and his Marxist professor friends at Occidental college.

And who cares if Barrack Obama once worked with Bill Ayers to affect young school children with leftist projects. (See next post)

And we all know about Barrack Obama's fascination with such leftist radicals as Stokley Carmichael and Malcolm X, and his long time friendship with American hating racist Jeremiah Wright among others.

The same guiding principles that allows a guy like Barrack Obama to become a major party's front runner is the same pragmatism that allows the Liberal to be perfectly comfortable with abortion (killing the unborn) and in some cases withholding medical care for babies who survive abortions letting them suffer sometimes for hours and die.

What is inherently ironic to me is that the liberal can justify abortion yet be against the death penalty for convicted murders. They can give a woman a choice to kill her unborn child but not the choice to carry a gun for self-defense against rapists.

It is what allows them to cut defense spending and gut our intelligence services in the face of an ever aggressive Russia and China and ever increasing threats of terrorism.

It is what allows them to accept credit for good deeds done by others…"The party of Jefferson" they say, but Thomas Jefferson was no pragmatist. They take credit for a good economy and point fingers at others when it is bad accepting no culpability at all. Even though it was Clinton who told Fannie/Freddie to loan, loan, loan. It was Barrack Obama who received the second most anount of money from Mae/Mack than any other senator, it was Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats who oversaw Mae/Mack's operations, and it was the democrats who opposed legislation against the sub-prime industry.

President Bush in 2002 wanted more restrictions and oversight of the sub-prime market but the house demarcates said NO. In 2005 it was John McCain who feared devastating financial consequences of the out of control sub-prime lending practices and sponsored legislation to restrict it but it was the democrats who said NO once again. And the same thing happened in 2007 when John McCain sponsored legislation to reel in the out of control sub-prime markets; the democrats defeated the measure. And for all that democratic presidential nominee Barrack Obama blames the crises on the republicans. But Obama received millions of dollars in PAC money from the industry and democrats Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd made millions from Sub-prime transactions. Dodd himself used sub-prime loans to build his mansion…Just more liberal lies and rationalizations.

This same culture of pragmatism is what allows liberals to be unashamed to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor. It is a cult of wish-worship that blinds them from the truth and allows the liberal to defy all logic and common sense to passionately argue for bigger more intrusive government and higher taxes. Even the liberal knows that bigger government and higher taxes isn't in their best interest but they will argue to the bitter end why we need bigger government and higher taxes. Of course they don't want to pay those higher taxes themselves, no, they want someone else to pay them.

The liberal is inherently intellectually dishonest demonstrated by their revisionism of history, the ability to lie and twist the facts with conviction to fit the liberal world view. It makes it so there is no absolute truth only secular wisdom that can be tailored to fit their purposes.

This isn't freedom it is anti-freedom because it is anti-truth.Liberals want to force conformity and silences their critics through social, civil, and even legal persecution.

The liberal is the "brainwashed ones".

Bill Ayers and Barack Obama worked together to improve public schools. But how did they help to improve education? One way they helped can be explained by Bill Ayers trip to Venezuela to visit with buddy Hugo Chavez. Ayers said he wanted American education to follow the Venezuelan model, where children are indoctrinated into socialism.

Read here: Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools - WSJ.com

Hugo Chavez who happens to be involved in communist insurgencies and terrorism (besides being an enemy of the US and is working with the Russians to obtain nuclear technology) against out biggest ally in South America Columbia binging up the idea Barrack Obama would be a better president for them.

Read Article here:

Seized Laptop Shows Chavez's Rebel Ties

Then Reuters Africa reports, Chavez offered to hold talks with him [Obama] to improve ties between the superpower and one its biggest oil suppliers.

Read: Energy and Oil | Africa - Reuters.com

Obama, Ayers, and Chavez one big happy communist family. Obama really likes his threesomes with radical American haters and terrorists. These connection seem to be all over the place.

BTW my kids will be home schooled.

If McCain had one quarter of the nefarious associations with communists, terrorists, and left wing American haters that Obama has he wouldn’t have made it to the primaries let alone the winner of it.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

Tomorrow you will have your girl as president. On that I am 100% sure.

Yeah unfortunately it looks like Obama is winning right now.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

They told me something in the Army once, Kingoftheforest. They said "you can wish in one hand and shit in the other, then see which one fills up faster".

No way Obama wins. I called it. You'll see. Polls are completely wrong, and mean nothing anyway. Your girl (Sarah Palin) will win and be elected next president. So all you extreme hard right conservatives can sleep well tonight and not worry. You get to keep your guns, your taxes, your war and your 10 commandements in the courthouse.

That sound you are hearing? Oh, that's just Thomas Paine spinning in his grave.

IF Obama loses I'll go to church next Sunday.











Because the only way that's happening is a miracle, after all there is no corruption in politics.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

I pretty much give up. This is all really pointless. We are going to have to agree to disagree. Tomorrow you will have your girl as president. On that I am 100% sure.

I could say remember this thread 8 years from now, when we have had 16 straight years of hard right conservatism running our country, but really...what would even be the point?

I mean, you are now going all the way back to Jimmy Carter of the 1970's to blame our CURRENT ecomomic crisis on. So even with 16 straight years of ultra-conservative hard right ideology, no matter what happens, it will STILL be a democrat's fault? You won't take the blame for anything, will you? Your mind set is so ingrained, and you are so inflexible that even if you were faced with truth, you would ignore it.

I swear, Darrienation, you are like this Athiest I once talked to. I asked him "If God himself came down out of the heavens in a golden chariot surrounded by Angels, would you THEN believe?"

And this athiest said "NO. No way. I would assume that I was having mental problems and the beginning of schizophrenia, and hallucinating".

So, I couldn't win with him, and I won't win with you, so I am done. It's like talking to a wall. I thank you for your military service, but I can't stand talking to you anymore. You are spinning too many lies, trying like the devil to convince everyone that Obama, Ayers and Hugo Chavez are one big rat pack.. I give up. This is worse then Archie Bunker. Worse then Mike Brewer, about the same as Rush Limbaugh. This is not mainstream debating. This is me, a center left democrat talking with a member of the extreme, hard right, bordering very close to faschism. It's frankly making me sick to my stomach. What the **** happened to all the normal, centrist republicans? You certainly are NOT one of them. This is shadowy, G. Gordon Liddy style stuff.

You can’t stand the fact that the Dems created the financial problem with their socialist polices and propagated it over the years. I am just pointing out that it didn’t start with the Bush administration which you can’t stand.

The republicans can’t fix it because the Democrats block their every effort. The democrats can’t fix it because they broke it. Despite this the markets will get better in time but more than likely not before it gets worse.

Fairness in lending= disastrous social policy
Faintness in taxes= wealth confiscation which will become a disastrous social policy

The words liberals use are very deceptive—new packages to sell old Marxist ideas.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

Show me one example in the bible of their having a stockpile of either weapons or money. Show me how much they had to do with big business after they joined. How many factories did Paul, or simon own? How many conservative think tanks were they members of? How many oil wells did they own? Give me one piece of evidence that shows they were anything like Rush Limbaugh or Karl Rove.

Are you high? when you wish to have a rational and logical discussion let me know

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

You should go regardless, and on your knees ask God to fill the void in your heart.

My hearts just fine, my wallets a little light light though, I guess the Messiah will fix that after he's elected.

Besides if you're so sure God is the answer, why are you sweating the election? Surely he'll punish the evil Republicans and reward the golden child Obama.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

XF, let's just say that your idea of what a Christian is, and my idea of what a Christian is, are completely different. I am thinking Jimmy Carter, Rick Warren, Mother Teresa and St. Francis of Assisi, you people are thinking John Ashcroft, Tourquemada and Cotton Mather. Whole different thing.

I haven't mentioned anyone as a christian, I only posted a pastor talking to his congregation and 2 passages from the bible. If you have a problem with what the bible says then your issue isn't with me.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

I pretty much give up. This is all really pointless. We are going to have to agree to disagree.

Mr. Arieson, we cant’ even agree on the most basic of fundamentals—individual liberty and property rights cannot be separated. Take a man’s property by force and you take his liberty.

And just because we are already being unjustly taxed isn’t justification for more unjust taxes, even if those taxes are being levied against some group of people you don’t like.

How can anyone find wealth (property) confiscation is acceptable?

Originally Posted by darrianation

How can anyone find wealth (property) confiscation is acceptable?

Simple, anyone who wants to get some wealth handed to them without working for it or anyone who makes more wealth for themselves by playing the middle man in the take-and-give transaction.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

I mean, you are now going all the way back to Jimmy Carter of the 1970's.

That's exactly what we'll be going back to if Obama wins. Exactly.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arieson

That sound you are hearing? Oh, that's just Thomas Paine spinning in his grave.

You're an idiot, D.I.

Originally Posted by jubaji

Simple, anyone who wants to get some wealth handed to them without working for it or anyone who makes more wealth for themselves by playing the middle man in the take-and-give transaction.

I totally agree!

But wealth redistribution (confiscation) assumes the person who owns it or earned it never really owned it in the first place. This would contradict the US constitution. Maybe the liberal and to a very large degree all government simply want to amend our rights at their whims.

Beside all the big glaring problems with this, folks should think about if they can pick an arbitrary cutoff at $250K today what is going to stop them from lowering the cutoff to $150K tomorrow, or $50K the day after that?

Of course they (Obama and his henchmen) are picking on the minority voting class—those who make over $250K (5% who already pay most of the taxes in this country)—because they are to small of a voting block to protect themselves.