coidman

Definitely. Ninja's are so sweet.

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adacas

there sure are a lot of martial art styles missing from this poll if you ask me hehe. I don't see any kajukenbo. and what if you were allowed a weapon such as a knife. eskrima sure isn't there. I know this poll doesn't cover all of them but it wouldn't hurt if a few more were added. but then again the only truly most effective martial art is whatever works for you.

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polak_no_1

I think the above question cannot be answered unless more specific.

You are asking to pick the winner in a fued between a boxer and one who trains judo.

Each martial art has its positives and its negatives, the boxer has excellent upper body attacks, with great speed, precission and strength, whilst the judoman has excellent techniques in grappling.

How can you pick a winner from the two... you cant, unless you specify the exact situation, take into account the training that the person has undergone and the experience they have.

Another factor to take into account is whether the fight is under competition, street, or play fighting circumstances, because every art matches up ifferently.

The effectiveness of a martial art depends most upon the person that pertains to the style. The persons psychology is one of the most important factors, once again depending on the martial art. Some arts are deal more with defence followed by offence and thats the end of that - fights over.
Others are more inclined towards protecting your body (head mainly), allowing hits to the rest of the body, whilst counterring and finishing off the opponent.

Some of you have mentioned that martial arts are not about fighting, beating people, hurting etc.

I used to think that for a long time aswell, having trained Tae-Kwon-Do for about 6-7 years. It wasnt until I was confronted in a real life situation, not once, but twice where i got slashed, and stabbed the second time.

The reality is... when your life is in danger, it is no longer about martial arts, and the techniques you have been trained to utilise, it comes down to

1. how quickly you can get out of the situation, and count your lucky stars you are well
2. If you cant get away for whatever reason, then do your best to make sure that if your life is at stake, then the bastard who did that doesnt get away with it.

I now train Kombat Kalaki (which is a mixture of Kraw Maga, Kalaki, Muay Thai, TKD, Wing Chun, and various grappling techniques from different styles. Im not saying this is the best, but I have found it to be very effective for me.

Kombata Kalaki starts off with moulding your pshycological state before any other training, then your fitness, then the technique side of things.

Oh and another thing I failed to mention is, many arts become effective depending on the time spent studying them. For example, if you have someone training boxing, kickboxing, muay thai etc, their skill rises quickly, arts such as wing chun etc etc need years before you can utilise the techniques effectively. Hence the reason why special forces dont teach wing chun, they teach muay thai, krav maga.

Just some info for you, and if someone can find out more about this, would be great:

In 1995 (not 100%) the wordls elite forces got together and competed. Turns out that Israel came first, Poland second, the US was 7th.

Israel - Krav Maga
Poland - Kombat Kalaki
US - Kick Boxing/Muay Thai

Sorry for the long post,

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aikihljj

What about Hawaiian Lua. Its probably one of the most effective with bonebreaking and takedown techniques. Also Vale Tudo is pretty effective because "anything goes", literally speaking. And about Aikido, it may not be effective offensively but defensively it can be lethal.

Thai Bri

Yes, Aikido can be "defensively lethal". Trying to use it in a real fight may well get you killed.

Szczepankiewicz

Combat Ki is gay.

polak_no_1

why is it gay?

aikihljj

Obviously some of you people don't know enough about the many styles of martial arts to criticizm them so harshly. Each one is different and unique in their own way. And to whoever made the comment about it being defensively lethal if they used it in a fight, well, that might be true too. But if u used bjj or any other martial arts against someone with a AK-47, who do you think will win?

MuayThaiFighter

Why is it there is always one person talking about so and so art not working against a gun,and what would you do against a gun and stuff like that when this is not a forum about martial arts against guns it is about martial arts vs martial arts and reality street fighting etc."?

Personally I think bringing up guns against martial arts is plain stupid,because obviously no martial arts will work against a gun.I don't care if you're a 10 th degree black belt or a professional kickboxer etc.nothing works against a gun except another gun or a freaking bomb and any one who thinks their martial arts can defend them against a gun is living in a fantazy world.

JKD-Escrima

at a distance, yes.
at close range, no.
there are some very effective ways of disarming an armed assailant.
besides, it's like fighting someone with a knife.
you will probably get hurt, but most likely will not die.

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MuayThaiFighter

There is a huge difference between a knife at close range and a gun at close range.

A cut or stabb(depending how bad it is)won't necessarily stop you from fighting at beginning, a bullet going through you will.One shot and you won't be able to fight you'll be on ground bleeding.Also it takes half a second to pull trigger whether close up or far away,where as the blade has to be close enough to your body in order to go in.A knife can be deflected a gun can't.No human being is bullet proof.

I don't care what martial arts you do if I have a gun you're fucked.

If I can blow you away from a hundred feet do you not think it will be even easier for me to shoot you from only a few inches away? It is harder to stab someone though since you have to be close to your opponent and it can be deflected unless you are one of those unusual people who can throw a knife from a long distance and have it go through another person.

It's easy for schools to say we know knife and gun defense so are able to defend ourselves against any weapon but until you have actually been confronted by someone with a gun or knife your training means shit.Most people including instructors who teach these weapons defense,they themselves have never be confronted by an armed assailant so don't really know what works as far as these weapons training is concerned.

JKD-Escrima

actually, guns can be deflected.
not the bullets of course, but the gun.
and because of the way a gun is held, a good escrima knife disarm works well, and has the added benefit of usually breaking the persons thumb.
and for the record, getting shot doesn't neccesarily mean you will instantly fall on the ground, worthless, and bleed to death in 5 seconds.
I know several people that have survived bullet wounds, and 1 that ran and fought for 2 hours without medical treatment. (I'm in the Army).

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krys

That is not true....You can be killed on the spot with one shot/stab/slash but it is not always the case, read the newspapers....

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conanthelibrtrn

Gary Dill teaches one of the more effective off shoots of JKD very similar to KM. He also borrows from jujitsu and other arts. He knows his stuff! He has the military and law enforcement experience plus he trained with Jim Lee! And unlike the oh great and wonderful concepts "heroes" who bash him (like Uncle Dan) he was a cop and used JKD on the street. He is not some washed up gym teacher riding on the back of his dead friends fame. Sure the Kali, the MT, and silat is a cool mixture but this concept stuff is BS. Bruce toy's with the concept idea in the latter years of his life and suddenly it's a space cowboy hippie concept free flowing and blah!BLAH!BLAH! I would speculate Dill has done a better job of adapting and evolving new techniques out of the original jun fan than the most of the off shoots.I've used JKD (the Dill method) and i know it works! Take the Dill method add some boxing,BJJ,KM, and a little Escrima and you got your self a well rounded self defense system. Dill truly absorbs what is useful.

Tomasu

I think that it's hard to say which style is best because it will always depend on the situation and the fighter. Honestly, from what I've seen in my many years of training Muay Thai is the most realistic and effective striking art in the world (it also requires tough training). In a 1 on 1 fight many situations may very likely go to the ground. For that reason BJJ is very effective. My problem with BJJ is that I've never seen much talk about eye gouging, etc. It would seem to me that most fights that go to the ground would likely be decided by things like that. Traditional Muay Thai practitioners can learn to effectively use many weapons as well as gouging. For these reasons, I think that crosstraining in Muay Thai, some kind of JJ, and freestyling would probably lead to the most effective fighiting style... Of course, it does depend on the individual. And let's not forget that the principle reason for training in the Martial Arts doesn't have to be to learn to defend oneself. Since most careful people will never have to get into a real fight in their lives, why spend so much time training? We strengthen our minds and spirits while cultivating humility and egolessness. "You can defeat a thousand warriors in a thousand battles, but it is a much greater task to conquer oneself."

Namu Amida Butsu
UML Muay Thai