Go Back   Deluxe Martial Arts Forums > Miscellaneous > Open Access

Open Access Anyone can post here. No username or password required!


View Poll Results: Which styles are effective in self-defense?
Pankration 2 2.78%
Shooto 6 8.33%
Savate 5 6.94%
Muay Thai kickboxing 13 18.06%
Brazilian Jujitsu 15 20.83%
Submission Wrestling 8 11.11%
Judo 11 15.28%
Krav Maga 17 23.61%
JKD 20 27.78%
All of them 24 33.33%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-11-2005, 04:24 PM   #61 (permalink)
CKD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 771
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
CKD is on a distinguished road
Default

Training at his gym or taking a seminar from him? That is what I meant by checking out his gym. I tried a few classes once before. On www.mma.tv under the shooto section there seems to be people with similar opinions about him. Just the fact that he lies by saying that his pro wrestling matches were mma fights is a big turn off.
CKD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2005, 10:14 PM   #62 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Oregon City, Oregon USA
Posts: 724
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
chalambok will become famous soon enough
Default

Just a couple of things for people to think about, not trying to put anyone down but trying to stimulate creative thought. JuJutsu (Brazilian or any other) practitioners who wish to put a person in a submission hold...then what? Are you going to hold them for an hour hoping a cop might drive by? Are you going to break a limb and possibly face an assault or attempted murder charge (don't kid yourself, any broken limb is a possible blood vessel cut, meaning attempted murder)? Are you going to relent when they start crying or pleading, let them up and start all over again? If you are a muay Thai practitioner are you prepared to give CPR after you fibrillate their heart (happens often) with a straight knee? Or knock them out with an elbow, and maybe it cuts their head open so you have massive blood flow from a scalp wound? Judo works well because most people cannot breakfall, especially on pavement, and most common judo injuries are separated shoulders, perhaps the cheapest insurance claim you might have to pay, after civil suit. If you are not in deadly fear for your life, or the life of someone you are with, in most locales the use of deadly force cannot be legally justified. It is not always possible to run away after you deal with a street attack. Maybe the best street defense is a photo-phone...at least you can back up your defense in court.
chalambok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2005, 10:51 PM   #63 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Tom Yum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Here and there.
Posts: 11,307
Groans: 1
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Tom Yum is a splendid one to beholdTom Yum is a splendid one to beholdTom Yum is a splendid one to beholdTom Yum is a splendid one to beholdTom Yum is a splendid one to beholdTom Yum is a splendid one to beholdTom Yum is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chalambok
If you are not in deadly fear for your life, or the life of someone you are with, in most locales the use of deadly force cannot be legally justified. It is not always possible to run away after you deal with a street attack. Maybe the best street defense is a photo-phone...at least you can back up your defense in court.
Verbal de-escalation skills are a must. Its better to avoid conflict as best as possible. Cam-phone is a great idea.

CPR certification is usually offered by YMCA programs and are really good to have.
Tom Yum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2005, 04:36 PM   #64 (permalink)
CKD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 771
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
CKD is on a distinguished road
Default

So I should not strike or lock a submission hold on but judo throw him on concrete? That will defenitely cause a lot of damage and does not sound like a safe alternative. A rear naked choke might be an o.k. option depending on where you live but hopefully you will use an reasonable amount of force or be able to stop the sitiuation.
CKD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2005, 03:10 PM   #65 (permalink)
Humble Moderator
 
Tant01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Northern Ca. USA
Posts: 5,123
Groans: 0
Groaned at 14 Times in 9 Posts
Tant01 is a splendid one to beholdTant01 is a splendid one to beholdTant01 is a splendid one to beholdTant01 is a splendid one to beholdTant01 is a splendid one to beholdTant01 is a splendid one to behold
Default The beauty of JU (jiu)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CKD
So I should not strike or lock a submission hold on but judo throw him on concrete? That will defenitely cause a lot of damage and does not sound like a safe alternative. A rear naked choke might be an o.k. option depending on where you live but hopefully you will use an reasonable amount of force or be able to stop the sitiuation.


To see the "art" in the techniques is a splendid thing.
In the confrontation, using the JUdo gives one the option of using only as much force as the particular situation requires. Putting him to sleep seems gentle enough.

There are many theories about how this or that is best accomplished but throwing him down is an efficient way to get started.

You want him on on his belly and compliant, not dead? WHY? LOL

There are lots of ways to convince someone that it's in their own best interest to comply. You just need to change their mind about doing anything to cause harm.

Edit; The photo phone is good idea! Even if they just use it to ID your murderer!

It would make a lot of other folks think twice...IMHO
__________________

"In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur."


James Paterson
Tant01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 12:47 AM   #66 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Tupacalypse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: D.C
Posts: 19
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Tupacalypse is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to Tupacalypse
Default

A flower can either grow to be of graceful beauty, or die off. It depends on the planter. That saying, I believe no fighting style is better then another, it is all up to the user of it.
Tupacalypse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 12:47 AM   #67 (permalink)
"Endless Wisdom"
 
Sensei Saki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Cyberspace
Posts: 781
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Sensei Saki will become famous soon enough
Default


I don't know what that means.The planter is always an important factor."That is only what you think" saying I believe no fighting style is better then another it is all up to the user of it ?
I understand.
Sensei Saki is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0
Template-Modifications by TMS
© Copyright 1996-2008, Mousel's Self-Defense Academy