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| Tactical Military and Law-Enforcement Training Please do not post operational details of current or past missions that could compromise the people on the ground right now. This is not a forum for the discussion of current doctrine, but for the exchange of training ideas that will give US soldier |
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Just wondering what you consider acceptable accuracy in a tactical situation. this can be a large question cause it covers so many variables
scoped/unscoped (hi/low power optics) off hand/rested/prone stationary/moving target weapons action type (bolt/semiauto) do you feel that with todays automatic high capacity weapons the emphasis on accuracy has shifted toward a "lethal density" concept? |
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An observation by the "Father" of modern pistolcraft Col. Jeff Cooper USMC (Ret.) Over the years I have developed the notion that there is a definite connection between marksmanship and morality. A good shot is nearly always a good man, and conversely the bad guys usually cannot shoot for sour owl jowls. This proposition cannot be proven, of course, but I think it has to do with the fact that the essence of good marksmanship is self-control, and it seems pretty clear that self-control is the foundation of good morals. Hurray for our side!
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I am in agreement with you there Mr. Mike, I believe that accuracy has taken a backseat in modern times. as a boy, I was taught to hunt using only single shot weapons (.22rimfire and 20 gauge) on small game. I believe that this engenders a discipline as far as shot placement. when you look at US military history from Sgt. York to Carlos Hatchcock the men with a rural hunting background seem to make the best use of their weapons as a soldier in the field.
Man Tanto I used to go through every back Issue of "Guns and Ammo" just to read Jeff Coopers article on the backpage. He is the "Guru" of accuracy I have read that in his school they do things like hit a skeet with your rifle, Now thats some skills! |
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::::Smile:::: You might like this Gonzo; http://www.dvc.org.uk/~johnny/jeff/ Mr. Cooper's latest "project" involves 20 shots in 20 seconds, inside 20 inches @ 1000 yards. Sounds like a challenge for even the very elite shooters in the world. I doubt there are five men on the whole planet that could pull it off on even a good day. Shooting small moving targets out of the air is old school even for Mr. Cooper.
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From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries Vol. 13 #8...
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has concluded somewhat officially that it is not cartridge power but rather bullet placement which stops fights." I would never disrespect Mr. Cooper by publishing his words without his written consent, his COMMENTARIES are protected by copyright and are FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. I thought this was particularly interesting and applicable to the topic in a humorous sort of way....
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Excellent! I so enjoy reading his commentaries! I've written thanks to his E page keeper(s) and shared a few of his stories with folks. The man has like three PHD's! And quite a way with the words.
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