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Old 05-06-2006, 07:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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O-kay so last month we had an "incident" that made the local headlines.

Overview a SWAT team decided that seeing empty hands was a "go" signal to enter the apartment and end a 2+ hour long stand off with police... The woman armed with a flare gun was shot five times with a rifle and three times with a shotgun.

from our local "liberal" press April 20>>

A SWAT team associated with the Eureka Police Department shot and killed 48-year-old Eureka resident Cheri Lyn Moore in her apartment near the corner of Fifth and G streets in downtown Eureka early Friday afternoon, following a two-and-a-half-hour standoff between Moore and the police that drew hundreds of onlookers.

According to the EPD, the incident began when police received a call from an employee of the county Mental Health Department requesting that the agency dispatch officers to check on Moore's well-being. (italics mine)The Mental Health employee told police that Moore had gone off of her regular medication.

When officers arrived at her apartment, located above Heuer's Florist, Moore allegedly brandished a weapon, later identified by witnesses and police radio traffic as a flare gun. She blasted loud music and began tossing various household items from her second story window down to the sidewalk below.

The police department called in reinforcements and cordoned off the block, placing a sniper on the roof of the building across the street. Apparently, there was no further contact between Moore and the police until she was shot: "Attempts by the Crisis Negotiation personnel to speak with the female [Moore] or anyone else in the apartment were unsuccessful," read a press release. However, the Eureka Reporter wrote the next day that a friend of Moore's had been talking with her on the phone outside the apartment throughout the incident, at least until the police told him to hang up.

The SWAT team was sent in at about 12:30 p.m. Bystanders reported hearing around half a dozen gunshots ring out shortly after the team entered the building, and confirmation that the suspect had been killed followed shortly after.

The precise reasoning behind the decision to enter the apartment and confront Moore is unclear, and the EPD is issuing very few details pending results of two investigations: an autopsy that was scheduled to be performed by an out-of-the-area coronary team on Tuesday, and an investigation by the county's Critical Incident Response Team, an interagency law enforcement squad led by the District Attorney's Office. The EPD has said that "core personnel" -- presumably, officers involved in the raid and/or the shooting, were placed on administrative leave, as is customary with police-related shootings....



Like our Moderator's signature line I suppose if you must use force, make it Excessive, right? Seems a bit extreme to me but I wasn't there. Lets all second guess the swat team... Bean bag rounds? Dog? Tear gas? Wait her out? Negotiate? How would you handle a mental patient in this case or one like it?
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Why is your name Tanto? Isn't that a waste of a useful weapons name? Or do you consider yourself to be a useful weapon? Maybe your name should be spanner?
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This seems to be a trend going on with S.W.A.T. teams for the past couple of years. Our local ones have had at least 3 or 4 of these cases in my area in the past 3 years.
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C'mon man they were weighted down by heavy boots, shin pads and body armor, the helmets and goggles also add weight then you gotta realize the weapons they carry are heavy as well. Now realize these poor guys are young and inexperienced, they faced a empty handed older woman, she has experience and wisdom on them, she was also empty handed and unarmored so she had the speed advantage as well as mobility...they were in fear for their safety of that im sure or they would have tried to taser her or use some other non lethal means but hey, she had them backed in the corner....
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I wonder why there were no less than lethal options available? A taser might have been good... Suicide by cop? Mental... Go figure.
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