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Old 05-16-2006, 03:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Jane fonda one of the "100 women of the century"

Check this out!! Just in case you didnt see the email....
..........................................................
TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."



BY BARBRA WALTERS


Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.



The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot


The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.



In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."


Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.


n 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodia border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. &n bsp;
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."


When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."



Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.


I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.



These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343
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Yep its older, she got the nomination in 1999 but the emails still float around....i felt it was worth a repost. Clinton was also a scumbag who went to nam to protest the war...he just wore a mask
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Nice Read. I never knew the Details of Fonda's antiwar antics. My cube mate who happens to be a Nam Vet talks bitterly about her. (Fonda)
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The mask must've been to keep him from accidentally inhaling...anything.
what a shame it didnt work

apparently he loaned it to Monica and it worked too well
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As opposed to ...her. (John Kerry)? Both equally accurate, by the way.
amazing the shitturds who make up the political parties eh?...fortunately for us the cream rises to the top
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Wouldn't it be awful if that was actually true?! Holy Shit! What if the ones at the top ARE the best?


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oh shit sorry i passed out there...did Mike Breerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr damnit it happened again!! did he say the best and brightest dont get to be president?
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I did indeed. And I've never claimed anything to the contrary. I just said it's on all our heads - each and every American with the right to vote - to keep the idiots out. You choose to blame the idiots on Capitol Hill, but I recognize that they are just doing what any creature does - surviving based on the environment they are in. I blame the idiots who refuse to show up at the voting booths.

Doesn't it sicken you to your very core that more people on a given Tuiesday or Wednesday night vote ofr the next American Idol than actually turn up to vote for the President? And that's not even taking into account their own congress-persons and senators!
Dude you just gave me an awesome idea!! We get all the candidates together and have a year long reality based show for them!! A little Fear factor, a little survivor, throw in some jobs at minimum wage and follow 'em to work...each week we vote out the wankers, at the end we have our president and vice president...tuesday night the house can compete for jobs wed the senate, shit if people pay to vote like on the idol we can pay off the deficet!!
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You know what's truly, horrifically sad?

That it would probably work...
Lets do it!! imagine ole king george in his burger king uniform and hat taking your order What do you wanna bet he would screw it up? Hillary workin the Drive through at hardees ......Now thats a campaign I'd watch. Condeleeza as a witch at disney world? Cheney could play elmer fudd in the kids park...with a TOY shotgun thats unloaded.
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It's not the order that worries me so much as the read-back....

I joke because I love, you know. Silly as he may be, I still have to back the guy. You can bet the stage manager who signalled "Go" a minute early on last night's speech was fired right after the cameras switched off, though.

By the way, did you see the new thread on the book I'm reading? You more than anyone here might enjoy it.
Wha another Bush speech fiasco I'll have to check Break.com...me no have TV

and yeah, i'll be on the lookout for Executive Secrets.
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Default Hate to burst your bubble... but most of that is false

I got this information from here: http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...y/aa110399.htm


There's no disputing that Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam, propagandized on behalf of the communists, and participated in an orchestrated "press conference" with American POWs in 1972. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out.

But how true are the further allegations in these email rumors? Let's examine their veracity point by point, beginning with the most serious:


Claim: Fonda betrayed POWs by turning over slips of paper they gave her to their captors. POWs were beaten and died as a result.

Status: FALSE.
"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, whom I reached by phone at his home in Arizona. Carrigan, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967, says he has no idea why this story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda," he told me. It goes without saying he never handed her a secret message.

He said he did see Jane Fonda once while he was a POW – on film. The occasion was a night when Carrigan and the other 80 or so men he was interned with were called out into the prison courtyard – "the first time we'd been outside under the stars in 5 or 6 years." As the men stood there wondering what was in store for them, a movie projector began whirring behind them. Their captors were showing them footage of Fonda's 1972 visit to Hanoi.


Claim: A POW spat at Fonda, for which he was brutally beaten.

Status: FALSE.
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This story is attributed in the email to former Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll, who says it's false and did not originate from him. I wasn't able to speak with him directly, but Mike McGrath and Paul Galanti, fellow officers of the Nam-POWs organization to which Driscoll belongs, told me he unequivocally disavows the story.

[UPDATE: After this commentary was written I received personal confirmation from Jerry Driscoll that the story is indeed bogus – as he put it, "the product of a very vivid imagination."]

Mike McGrath, currently serving as the president of Nam-POWs, has worked hard to help Driscoll and Carrigan squelch the false rumors circulating under their names.

"They would like to get their names removed but the story seems to have a life of its own," he told me. "There are a lot of folks out there who would love to have a story like that to hang their hat and their hate on."


Claim: POWs were beaten for refusing to cooperate or meet with Fonda during her visit.

Status: TRUE.
The final anecdote in the "Hanoi Jane" email recounts the experience of a POW who agreed to meet with Fonda but announced to his captors that he planned on telling her how horrid conditions in North Vietnamese prison camps really were.

"Because of this," the narrative continues, "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped."

Those words were written by Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the Viet Cong in 1968 and held as a POW for 5 years. When I contacted him, Benge confirmed that the story was indeed his own, and true.

Benge's original statement, entitled "Shame on Jane," was published in April 1999 by the Advocacy and Intelligence Network for POWs and MIAs. The nameless, faceless author of the "Hanoi Jane" email evidently picked it up from that or another Web page or newsgroup and combined it with fabricated stories to create the much-forwarded message. Some versions now circulate with Benge's name appended, others quote his statement anonymously.

'None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club'

A good cause is never well served by lies, and that's how all of the ex-POWs I spoke or corresponded with about the falsehoods in this message felt. Paul Galanti said: "None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club, but these fabrications are something she just did not do."

No one had an answer to the questions, "Who made up these stories, and why?" but both Carrigan and McGrath expressed serious doubt that it was a POW.

"She did enough to place her name in the trash bin of history," McGrath explained. "None of us need to make up stories on her."

I still dont like her but most of that was crap
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