Tom Yum

Remember the shoe bomber, Richard Reid?

Remember the photo of him taken after he was escorted off the plane? The passengers got ahold of him before he was subdued and did a lil something to him ......Nice eye.

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BoarSpear

Must have been some other religious person huh?

"you will know them by thier works"

treelizard

All right, to PROVE I didn't write that, I'll neg rep you and PM you what I'm gonna write first. Since we all know you can't neg rep twice in a row (or the same post twice), you'll know it's me.

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treelizard

If you feel that way, why do you train soldiers?

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BoarSpear

Because I like the people I train and anything I can do to help them come home alive I will, they have the right to believe what they want and fight for it, we're friends, I respect that right.

Some of my instructors didnt believe in what we were doing either, but they believed in me and taught me well, I try to do the same.
Looking at the news someone damn well needs to explain how warriors should conduct themselves.

Why havent you enlisted? you seem very opinionated, and you're Isreali, if anyone has a dog in this fight it ought to be you, but you seem to be content living in America selling herbs and cheerleading... are you afraid we might run out of volunteers and YOU might have defend your own country?

Mike Brewer

I'm all for celebrating, in spite of critics and detractors if necessary!

Boar, I know you've got a case of the ass over the unkind treatment you received during Katrina last year, and you think all the cops are out to get you and take your stuff away. I know you hate the president, and I know you think America has slipped into some moral abyss that we can't recover from. I get it. You're a cynical, conspiratorial guy who thinks we're the root of all the world's evil. I accept that. I just don't believe it myself.

Again, you're parading around all kinds of things and shouting, "Boo America!" without once even acknowledging the fact that this operation and all the work that went into it was not only a resounding success, but a solid indicator that, if allowed to operate on the offense, our military can find and strike at even the upper echelons of the enemy's organization. You keep taking a moral stance on torture, prisons (although I gotta be honest - I don't know what you're talking about with the "putting innocent American citizens in jail" as it relates to this discussion), and all of the other tools of war. And you know, at a basic level, I agree with you. I wish leaders on all sides would agree to stand up and fight fair, not abuse civilians, not behead contractors and their own people. I wish even more that the people we're dealing with were reasonable and rational enough to listen to arguments like yours and mine. I wish that we could tell them how atrocious it is for them to act and fight in the manner that they do, and I wish to the very core of my soul that we could expect to see them change the way they behave and the goals that they express (like obliderating entire races and nations of people, for example) by simply standing up and serving as a good example.

I wish all of those things were true.

But they aren't.

To these people, it is as normal and acceptable to beat their wives, lie to their people, use their religion as an excuse for genocide, and lop off people's heads for carrying around cameras as it is for them to eat or sleep. They are not reasonable. They are not rational. They are not logical. Therefore reason, rationale, and logic will never be tools that work in our relationships with them. Much like arguing with you, logic and fact has no bearing on the argument at all! (Sorry. Couldn't pass up the cheap shot). They decide what they want to believe, and fact has no bearing. In many ways, it's like telling you that NORAD wasn't closed down on 9-11, and that NORTHCOM wasn't even a viable entity then, so NORAD's official job was to track flight paths. They didn't know where those planes were supposed to be going, and they had no way of stopping them if they had. They didn't have their monitors off, and the radars were running as usual. But the guys in the tin foil hats want to believe that the Pentagon was hit by a missile fired from some UAV, so that's the opinion they morph into fact using all manner of pseudo-logic and hack science. In many ways, it's the same as trying to convince Ahmadinejad that the Holocaust did in fact happen. There's all kinds of proof, including survivors running around out there who saw it first hand form both sides. But it screws with his argument, so he dismisses it. Your rants about how bad the US has gotten are of the same ilk, dude.

Fact is, the stories about abuses committed by Americans are newsworthy only because they are so irregular. If they were as commonplace as you'd like to believe, there'd be no more news value in reporting them than there is in reporting the deaths from auto accidents every year. When's the last time you saw a yearly total of dead bodies from car crashes at the top of the front page? NEVER! Because despite the horrific number of human lives lost, it just isn't newsworthy because it is so common!!

BoarSpear

Really? Not common? So is all the terrrible stuff our enemies do but its not so common for them it doesnt make the news.... BS this behavior WAS NOT common in the past, but its S.O.P. these days, you and lizard just ignore those threads...be good little Americans and act like its all good....Truth is your traitors when you act like the bullshit being pulled now is what this country was built upon.

Garland

c'mon people now
smile on your brother
everybody get together
learn to love one another
right now

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BoarSpear

and of the Free and Home of the Brave?
A Visitor From the Past (Author Unknown)

I had a dream the other night I didn't understand.
A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.
His Clothes were torn and Dirty, as he stood there by the bed.
He took off his three-cornered had, and speaking low, he said:

"We fought a Revolution, to secure our liberty.
We wrote the constitution as a shield from tyranny.
For future generations, this legacy we gave,
In this, the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"

"The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep
But tyrants labored endlessly, while your parents were asleep.
Your freedom gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave,
In this, the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave."

"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent."

"Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate.
Your Christian values can't be taught, according to state.
You read about current news, in a regulated press.
You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S."

"Your money is no longer made of silver or of gold
You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God in shame,
You've taken Satan's number as you've traded in your name."

"You've given goverment control to those who do you harm,
So they can padlock churches and steal the family farm.
And keep our Country deep in debt, put men of God in Jail,
Harass your fellow Countrymen while corrupted courts prevail."

"Your public servants don't uphold the solomn oath they've sworn.
Your dauguters visit doctors so their Children won't be born.
Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foriegn shores,
And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars."

"Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?
Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride?
Are there no more values for which you'll fight to save?
Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?

"Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!
Defend the Constitution, the Supreme law of the Land!
Preserve our great Republic and Each God-given right,
And pray to God to keep the torch of Freedom burning bright."

As I awoke, he Vanished, in the mist from which he came.
His words were true; we are not free. We have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right,
We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.

If He stood by your bedside, in a dream while you're asleep,
And wondered what remains of our rights he fought to keep
What would be your answer if he called out from the grave?
Is this still the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave?

eXcessiveForce

She's Right Boar, she didn't leave you that rep. I checked. It wasn't her.

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BoarSpear

like I said must have a different religious person, you know them by thier works...So seeing as you guys wanna play neg reps and warning pms when you dont like what I have to say....you keep on playing with nutter I'm out...censor me? dont bother...

Mike Brewer

No. it is the Home of the Free BECAUSE of the Brave.

And by "the Brave," I mean troops like the ones who hunted down and killed the piece of shit that's all over the news today. Great Americans all - each and every damned one of them!!

I know what you're saying, bro. I do. And don't think that corruption and abuse of power doesn't bother me. (I believe I said that clearly in several of my last posts) But like I've said a million times, bitching isn't enough. When's the last time you got anyone to do what you wanted them to do by calling them names, screaming at them, and hurling insults at everything they say, think and do? I loathe the same things about the system and the people in it that you loathe. But you're exercising the same tactics that you're criticizing in your approach. You say that the US is confrontational and bent on domination? What is your approach if not that? Yell and scream, insult and chastise? Demand that people see it your way and change to line up with your thinking? Do you really think that works? Shit man, you can't even get that approach to work on a seven year old! How do you expect to change an entire nation with it?

Like I've said (and I freely admit that it's possible I'm completely full of shit here, but it's my opinion), I think the answer is a serious and PRAGMATIC look at the factors involved, and a positive and constructive application of effort where it will do the greatest good. I chose the term pragmatic with care. I didn't say emotional or moral. It sucks that we have to shelve those things at times to get things done, but we do. When you find the areas of greatest leverage and least resistance, you push - again, positively, constructively, and pragmatically. Eventually, like some kind of theoretical Rubic's Cube, the pieces begin to line up and order outnumbers chaos. Little steps to make big changes. A petition for full ride scholarships (that now has over a thousand signatures on it, by the way) can do a whole lot more in the long run than screaming and yelling at the school board and beating your fist on the podium at a town hall meeting. Positive, constructive, and pragmatic. Small, community level steps that will eventually affect the entire scope of society.

Now, compare and contrast - rationally, if that's a trait you posess in such matters. Go out and find two strangers. Make up your mind that you want something specific from each of them. Watch them for a time, and then approach each one in one of the following manners:

First: Walk up and insult their intelligence. Tell the person he's fat and stupid. He's too illiterate to read a kid's book, he lies to everyone he sees, he cheats on his taxes, and he probably beats puppies. He's almost certainly a radical christian fundamentalist bent on world domination, and he's a grave robbing cult member who sells weapons to terrorists to finance the wars that will lead him to global domination. And by the way, "would you do me a favor?"

Second: Walk up and compliment his shoes or his haircut. Let him know that you saw him help that old lady across the street yesterday, and it impressed you. You also saw him make a donation or two to some charities, and it inspired you to give to those charities as well. Let him know that maybe you saw him building a new house for someone who didn't have one, or passing out first aid kits in a poor neighborhod. Let him know that you appreciate the fact that he's sent nearly half of his annual income to others in need around the world, whether in funds or clothes or disaster aid, or food and clean water, and that you were moved enough to jump in and help with the effort yourself. Tell him that, despite whatever faults he may have (and he knows full well what those are), you think he has the potential to be a hell of a guy. Now ask him for the same favor.

Wanna guess which approach is going to get you farther?

The way you're attacking everything, it's like you're running for a seat in the Democratic Convention or something. Lately, you've been sniping at everything American, posting any negative news bit you can find as fast as you can cut and paste it, and as always, conspicuously abset from the tirades and rants is even the slightest nod to the positive. Nothing constructive for the guys who built twenty schools and hospitals in Iraq this month. Nothing for the Iraqis who've been taking more and more risks to go on the offensive against the terrorists seeking to divide their country. Nothing positive for the troops who are out there backing those Iraqis up in their efforts. Nothing good to say about the undeniable triumphs by the intelligence officers and analysts who tracked down the biggest al-Qaeda threat in Iraq and took him out. Nothing positive to say about the thousands upon thousands of brave and wonderful Americans who willingly volunteered to go back for a third or even a fourth tour because they believe in the mission. Per usual, it's all doom and dirt with you. Do you really expect that kind of effort to make any kind of change? Who, exactly, do you expect to win over to your way of thinking with such crap? I gotta admit, you've got me puzzled...

eXcessiveForce

hmmm, seems you asked me to let you know when you were getting heated.

Guess it show what I get for being a nice guy.

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If you must use force, make it excessive.

eXcessiveForce

hmmm I don't remember saying you couldn't post the normal crap you do.

I just get tired of reading you jump to unfounded conclusions about other members, and borderline bigoted comments towards them. They are getting to the level of personal attacks and you are not special when it comes to your conduct on the board.

If I wanted to silence your views I would have done it a year ago

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If you must use force, make it excessive.

Mike Brewer

See, Boar? You're so worked up about it all that you aren't even happy when people do exactly what you tell them!

Step One: Understand the Mission.
Step Two: Understand the Tactics
Step Three: Understand when you've won, and don't try to get everyone to like you for it...