Hitmen and Assassins

knifehand · 11-26-2006, 03:34 PM

ive noticed an alarming amount of movies in the last couple of years on hitmen and assassins. lucky number slevin, collateral, crank , the jackal, road to perdition etc. . and now in the news the assassination of the former russian spy with radioactive poison . i cant say i dont enjoy these movies and have since first seeing charles bronson in "the mechanic". but am curious to know if you all enjoy them as well and if you were goin to be a "Mechanic" , what hand to hand skills would you undergo as well CQC skills? these characters all seem to have military background of some sort even though its just movies. i watched a documentary the other day about a notorious mafia hitman named Richard Kuklinski who worked for the gambino mafia (i love mafia documentaries)and the documentary showed interviews with kuklinski himself as well as the FBI and police officials. this man has admitted to have killed well over 100 people and authorities believe there is more than that, although they say mr. kuklinski was not a serial killer or driven by perverse reason. he was just "gifted" at his craft and the only reason he got caught was he became greedy charging as high as $100,000.00 a hit. i hope this thread is not taken to seriously and is more of an off topic hopeful discussion on your thoughts . it just seems to me there is an overwhelming fascination with assassins in the last couple of years. just curious to your thoughts.

Mike Brewer · 11-26-2006, 04:39 PM

Are you seriously asking people to talk about what kinds of skills one would need to be an effective assassin?

knifehand · 11-26-2006, 05:40 PM

oh god no mike, thats why i said dont take this thread too seriously. im just fascinated by all the public hype lately with movies and assassinations of political public figures. just fun to think about how they train these actors for these roles if they are trained at all. i do know that nutcake tom cruise was trained in combatives for his role in collateral. im just curious as to what kind of training he received to make him more believable in that role. just a discussion thats all.

Mike Brewer · 11-26-2006, 06:59 PM

Fair enough.

georgie · 11-26-2006, 08:00 PM

i think to be a cleaner or hitman ...whatever you call it.......youd want to know some ww2 combatives , judo for strangulation , boxing would be an asset......i like these movies as well knifehand and i saw the footage of mr scientology cruise get his combative training ....it was pretty intense training actually.....there was one scene in the movie at a dance club where you could tell it was def combative training...there are real life assassins for sure who do govt dirty work.....like the guy who gave that russian spy a lethal dose of radiation poison.....now thats a slow painful death.....that guy kuklinski for the gambino mafia was also called the "Iceman"......he was 6ft5 and 270 i think ....his fav way of killing was with an anithistamine bottle full of liquid cyanide which he would either spill on you at a bar or spray in your face as he walked by......your dead within minutes.....the coroner said unless your actually looking for cyanide poisoning they couldnt determine the cause of death........he was a monster for sure......ever read about Colonel Hector Grant-Taylor ? He was one of about a dozen professional "disposal" men active for the British government during WWII.....another guy whos gift was killing except they were nazis.....read about it here....http://web.archive.org/web/200502050...ari092702.html

by the way fellas anyone who likes ww2 combatives just to let you know that the gutterfighting website is back up .......http://www.gutterfighting.org/

knifehand · 11-26-2006, 08:08 PM

Sweet georgie , that site was down for a long time . nice to see it back up. i think ww2 combatives are definitely very deadly , after all that was there main purpose was to kill or maim . as for the russian spy, it emerged yesterday that Mr Litvinenko travelled to Israel just weeks before he died to hand over evidence to a Russian billionaire of how agents working for President Putin dealt with his enemies running the Yukos oil company. He passed this information to Leonid Nevzlin, the former second-in-command of Yukos, who fled to Tel Aviv in fear for his life after the Kremlin seized and then sold off the $40 billion (£21 billion) company.
Mr Nevzlin told The Times that it was his “duty” to pass on the file. “Alexander had information on crimes committed with the Russian Government’s direct participation,” he said. so putin in my opinion had him taken care of. so he had him poisoned with a radioactive isotope, polonium-210 used in nuclear reactors. the whole thing comes right out of a spy novel.

Sagacious Lu · 11-27-2006, 01:05 PM

From reading the thread it sounds like you're talking more about the stuff you see in movies than anything else, but I can offer some insight into some real people. I do not for profit volunteer work with drug users which means that I come in contact with a lot of drug dealers. You should understand that a lot of drug dealers got into it because they were using it and either they had to in order to keep up with their habit or because they knew so many users that it was too easy and convenient not to. They didn't get into it because they're tough (frequently it's just the opposite) they aren't athletes and they don't have any special training. The thing is that they have a lot of cash (and valuable product) around at all times and they can't settle disputes with lawyers the way people in legal businesses do. That means violence is always a possibility and some times (but not always) becomes a fact of life. Most of them avoid conflict as much as possible because those that don't wind up in bad trouble very quickly, but if $1000+ in cash is on the line you'd better believe that things can get rough. What I'm trying to say is that these aren't people that worked hard to attain skills so that they could excel at their profession; usually they're just people who wound up in a dangerous business by taking the path of least resistance. Sometimes (much less often than you might think) they have to do desperate and violent things but they aren't the urban comandos that they're made out to be in rap songs and movies. They don't have many skills, they aren't glamorous, and if you take a close look at them they aren't really scary because for the most part they're only dangrous to themselves and each other. Sure there are a few exceptions but the overwhelming majority are really very mundane once you get past the shock of the fact that they're breaking the law.

Blue Wave Gym · 11-27-2006, 03:16 PM

So you want an asassin huh. I'm dusting of my ninja sword and blow gun right now, not to forget the black bdus and Ft. Lewis Washington go devils boots and my jungle master bowie.Add a ski mask and presto. I want 500,00 euros in a swiss bank account under the name barney rubble. Pssst the pass word is ted kennedy swims in the kitty pool with water wings at midnight await further instructions.

Tom Yum · 11-27-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

I want 500,00 euros in a swiss bank account under the name barney rubble. Pssst the pass word is ted kennedy swims in the kitty pool with water wings at midnight await further instructions.

FYI - Blue Wave, the comma is used as a decimal point in the EU so you're asking for 500 Euro. At the current exchane rate, you're asking for about $650.

Short on rent money?...jk.

**gregimotis** · 11-27-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

From reading the thread it sounds like you're talking more about the stuff you see in movies than anything else, but I can offer some insight into some real people..

Nice post.

knifehand · 11-27-2006, 08:46 PM

very nice post sagacious......blue wave even if a guy was looking for a hitman id look for someone smart enough to spell assassin correctly first...FYI ....then again if your usin a blowgun id say your prob some rainforest aboriginal who still puts bones through his penis and smells his brothers feces....

...JK

Mike Brewer · 11-27-2006, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knifehand

very nice post sagacious......blue wave even if a guy was looking for a hitman id look for someone smart enough to spell assassin correctly first...FYI ....then again if your usin a blowgun id say your prob some rainforest aboriginal who still puts bones through his penis and smells his brothers feces....

...JK

owtch. That was a little harsh. Even for an "asassin."

Garland · 11-28-2006, 04:21 AM

I'd say this thread is ass-in-ass tastic! $1,000 dollars? Shit...go to Brazil, or Africa, or some other poverty stricken corrupt as shit country and pay some emaciated kids sitting under an overpass 5 bucks (not a-piece, for all of them). Done and done.
Assassin skills? Give me a fucking break. Anyone can kill anyone if they don't mind getting caught and they have half a brain. According to some statistic I heard, 1 in 4 homicides in this country goes unsolved...couple that with x amount of missing persons and higher regional numbers...and figure that shit out.

I saw one of my ex's friends get shanked in front of me in the open asphalt space he parks his car in last new years...the cops still don't have the prick in custody.

Respect human life, douche.

Blue Wave Gym · 11-29-2006, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knifehand

very nice post sagacious......blue wave even if a guy was looking for a hitman id look for someone smart enough to spell assassin correctly first...FYI ....then again if your usin a blowgun id say your prob some rainforest aboriginal who still puts bones through his penis and smells his brothers feces....

...JK

LOL remember dan akroid as the ex-military nut job robert stack R.I.P. hired to wack jack mason in caddy shack 2 .......ms. esterhouse ......lol

NightStalker14 · 11-30-2006, 12:54 PM

All these kids what wanna be ninjas.

Your first mission, assassin, is to collect a bottle of nitro glycerin.

I then want you to shake it violently, in preparation for its eventual use.

That is all.

11-26-2006, 03:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
knifehand Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 40	Hitmen and Assassins ive noticed an alarming amount of movies in the last couple of years on hitmen and assassins. lucky number slevin, collateral, crank , the jackal, road to perdition etc. . and now in the news the assassination of the former russian spy with radioactive poison . i cant say i dont enjoy these movies and have since first seeing charles bronson in "the mechanic". but am curious to know if you all enjoy them as well and if you were goin to be a "Mechanic" , what hand to hand skills would you undergo as well CQC skills? these characters all seem to have military background of some sort even though its just movies. i watched a documentary the other day about a notorious mafia hitman named Richard Kuklinski who worked for the gambino mafia (i love mafia documentaries)and the documentary showed interviews with kuklinski himself as well as the FBI and police officials. this man has admitted to have killed well over 100 people and authorities believe there is more than that, although they say mr. kuklinski was not a serial killer or driven by perverse reason. he was just "gifted" at his craft and the only reason he got caught was he became greedy charging as high as $100,000.00 a hit. i hope this thread is not taken to seriously and is more of an off topic hopeful discussion on your thoughts . it just seems to me there is an overwhelming fascination with assassins in the last couple of years. just curious to your thoughts.

11-27-2006, 01:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sagacious Lu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Liangshan Marsh Posts: 1,042	From reading the thread it sounds like you're talking more about the stuff you see in movies than anything else, but I can offer some insight into some real people. I do not for profit volunteer work with drug users which means that I come in contact with a lot of drug dealers. You should understand that a lot of drug dealers got into it because they were using it and either they had to in order to keep up with their habit or because they knew so many users that it was too easy and convenient not to. They didn't get into it because they're tough (frequently it's just the opposite) they aren't athletes and they don't have any special training. The thing is that they have a lot of cash (and valuable product) around at all times and they can't settle disputes with lawyers the way people in legal businesses do. That means violence is always a possibility and some times (but not always) becomes a fact of life. Most of them avoid conflict as much as possible because those that don't wind up in bad trouble very quickly, but if $1000+ in cash is on the line you'd better believe that things can get rough. What I'm trying to say is that these aren't people that worked hard to attain skills so that they could excel at their profession; usually they're just people who wound up in a dangerous business by taking the path of least resistance. Sometimes (much less often than you might think) they have to do desperate and violent things but they aren't the urban comandos that they're made out to be in rap songs and movies. They don't have many skills, they aren't glamorous, and if you take a close look at them they aren't really scary because for the most part they're only dangrous to themselves and each other. Sure there are a few exceptions but the overwhelming majority are really very mundane once you get past the shock of the fact that they're breaking the law. __________________

11-27-2006, 03:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960	he he he So you want an asassin huh. I'm dusting of my ninja sword and blow gun right now, not to forget the black bdus and Ft. Lewis Washington go devils boots and my jungle master bowie.Add a ski mask and presto. I want 500,00 euros in a swiss bank account under the name barney rubble. Pssst the pass word is ted kennedy swims in the kitty pool with water wings at midnight await further instructions. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

11-27-2006, 08:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
knifehand Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 40	very nice post sagacious......blue wave even if a guy was looking for a hitman id look for someone smart enough to spell assassin correctly first...FYI ....then again if your usin a blowgun id say your prob some rainforest aboriginal who still puts bones through his penis and smells his brothers feces.......JK

11-28-2006, 04:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
Garland Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 4,925	I'd say this thread is ass-in-ass tastic! $1,000 dollars? Shit...go to Brazil, or Africa, or some other poverty stricken corrupt as shit country and pay some emaciated kids sitting under an overpass 5 bucks (not a-piece, for all of them). Done and done. Assassin skills? Give me a fucking break. Anyone can kill anyone if they don't mind getting caught and they have half a brain. According to some statistic I heard, 1 in 4 homicides in this country goes unsolved...couple that with x amount of missing persons and higher regional numbers...and figure that shit out. I saw one of my ex's friends get shanked in front of me in the open asphalt space he parks his car in last new years...the cops still don't have the prick in custody. Respect human life, douche. __________________ I kick you in da neck! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBHLrpn07G4 http://www.break.com/movies/englishf.html homo homini lupus Komm Susser Todd. No, no...no no no...whatever you are drinking, you need much, much more...and then to sleep. - jubaji

11-26-2006, 04:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,165	Are you seriously asking people to talk about what kinds of skills one would need to be an effective assassin?

11-26-2006, 05:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
knifehand Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 40	oh god no mike, thats why i said dont take this thread too seriously. im just fascinated by all the public hype lately with movies and assassinations of political public figures. just fun to think about how they train these actors for these roles if they are trained at all. i do know that nutcake tom cruise was trained in combatives for his role in collateral. im just curious as to what kind of training he received to make him more believable in that role. just a discussion thats all.

11-26-2006, 06:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,165	Fair enough.

11-26-2006, 08:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
georgie Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 188	i think to be a cleaner or hitman ...whatever you call it.......youd want to know some ww2 combatives , judo for strangulation , boxing would be an asset......i like these movies as well knifehand and i saw the footage of mr scientology cruise get his combative training ....it was pretty intense training actually.....there was one scene in the movie at a dance club where you could tell it was def combative training...there are real life assassins for sure who do govt dirty work.....like the guy who gave that russian spy a lethal dose of radiation poison.....now thats a slow painful death.....that guy kuklinski for the gambino mafia was also called the "Iceman"......he was 6ft5 and 270 i think ....his fav way of killing was with an anithistamine bottle full of liquid cyanide which he would either spill on you at a bar or spray in your face as he walked by......your dead within minutes.....the coroner said unless your actually looking for cyanide poisoning they couldnt determine the cause of death........he was a monster for sure......ever read about Colonel Hector Grant-Taylor ? He was one of about a dozen professional "disposal" men active for the British government during WWII.....another guy whos gift was killing except they were nazis.....read about it here....http://web.archive.org/web/200502050...ari092702.html by the way fellas anyone who likes ww2 combatives just to let you know that the gutterfighting website is back up .......http://www.gutterfighting.org/

11-26-2006, 08:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
knifehand Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 40	Sweet georgie , that site was down for a long time . nice to see it back up. i think ww2 combatives are definitely very deadly , after all that was there main purpose was to kill or maim . as for the russian spy, it emerged yesterday that Mr Litvinenko travelled to Israel just weeks before he died to hand over evidence to a Russian billionaire of how agents working for President Putin dealt with his enemies running the Yukos oil company. He passed this information to Leonid Nevzlin, the former second-in-command of Yukos, who fled to Tel Aviv in fear for his life after the Kremlin seized and then sold off the $40 billion (£21 billion) company. Mr Nevzlin told The Times that it was his “duty” to pass on the file. “Alexander had information on crimes committed with the Russian Government’s direct participation,” he said. so putin in my opinion had him taken care of. so he had him poisoned with a radioactive isotope, polonium-210 used in nuclear reactors. the whole thing comes right out of a spy novel.

11-30-2006, 12:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
NightStalker14 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 101	All these kids what wanna be ninjas. Your first mission, assassin, is to collect a bottle of nitro glycerin. I then want you to shake it violently, in preparation for its eventual use. That is all.

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