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Old 12-03-2006, 10:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061203/.../wounds_of_war

The first half of the article talks about how women experience PTSD just like men have during times of war.

I tried to step into the shoes of the people in this article...

The average marine or soldier who comes back and looks at us thinks we're lazy, unnapreciative and disconnected with those who serve in our armed forces; that's got to be frustrating as **** considering how busy they've been, what they've accomplished in a short amount of time and the risks taken.

Civillian employers who've never served probably shrug their shoulders with indifference when they hear about the required discipline of their unit, having to come face to face with the enemy during a fire fight, seeing others get wounded all while sleeping on hard ground.

I'd also imagine that some folks would look at some of our more gung ho veterans attitudes' as annoying, especially if they did not support the war in the first place.

Life probably seems really slow when you get back into a civillian life. The lack of teamwork in civillian organizations would be a source of frustration.

We're so lucky to live in such a stable, safe and humane society in this country. Just across the border, in Mexico, police officers are frequently murdered and found decapited. Citizens there are at the mercy of whichever group takes charge.

Some of our national stability comes from the folks who volunteer for the national guard, not to mention a large and organized military.

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Thanks for posting this. It's something everyone should read. However, I wanted to throw out something for you to consider.

You mentioned our "large and organized" military. Consider for a moment that we have about 1,000,000 men and women in uniform serving on active duty. We have, as a nation, over 300,000,000 citizens. In other words, our "large" military is made up of roughly 1/3 of 1 percent (0.33% for you math geeks out there) of our nation. To put it another way, each man or woman in uniform has the burden of protecting roughly 300 Americans all by themselves. That ratio is staggering. Imagine for a second that you were put into a position where 300 people literally depended on every action you take for their lives and for their freedoms. Now, statistically, about 200 of those 300 people are mad at you for doing what you're doing to keep them safe. They protest against you whenever they can, and they smear your bosses at every turn. When's the last time you sat in a room with even 30 people and got on the wrong side of 20 of them? Now imagine how those soldiers must feel. 300 people sitting comfortably at home, literally doing nothing - NOTHING - to defend their own freedoms. It's all on their head, and that's true for every single person brave enough to put on a uniform.

Heavy load to be carried by roughly a third of a single percent of our citizens.

I think maybe all of them deserves our undying respect, loyalty, and gratitude, no matter how we feel about the policies they're working under...
Good point on bringing up percentages, Mike.

I spoke with a buddy of mine whose sharp as a whip and just a good all round guy. We talked about the war, military service and what not. One of his biggest qualms against the military was that the social elite (i.e. wealthy) aren't elisting/commissioning.

I asked him to explain.

He said that the elite, Republicans and Democrats both, aren't sending their kids into the military. I was rather suprised because this guy is big on defense, hunting and what not. He said that the elite, as a whole believe that the war isn't good for this country based on fiscal reasons.

My response was that the war sets the battlestage abroad, rather than here and that many of those who planned the war have poured over the Muslim extremists texts and figured out that this is one way to draw out the enemy that would otherwise attack us at home (9-11) or abroad (USS cole).

I guess we each have our own opinions.

I still have immense respect for our armed forces.
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Also, something to consider. To anyone who's not pleased with the current crop of politicians, consider that many if not most of them served in the military. Consider also that historically, the politicians who rise highest in this country have all had military backgrounds (with a few exceptions, of course). That may bring some comfort in that if the same trend holds, we will not have to deal with many of these incompetents' children trying to run things. They'll be replaced by veterans with something of themselves invested in the country they hope to govern.
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