What's the Skinny on Anthrax Vaccine?

**Hardball** · 12-13-2006, 01:23 PM

Would like to hear from those who have first hand knowledge. Why do soldiers oppose the mandatory anthrax vaccine? The following is from todays www.armytimes.com

Anthrax vaccine opponents file new lawsuit

By Gayle S. Putrich
Staff writer

The legal battle over the military’s mandatory anthrax immunization program has been revived, with six unnamed plaintiffs filing a class-action lawsuit against the government Wednesday.

According to court documents, the basic premise of the lawsuit is the plaintiffs’ claim that the vaccine is “unapproved for its applied/intended use.”

The lawsuit says that “plaintiffs will suffer substantial and irreparable injury if they are forced to take the vaccine,” which the suit says has not been properly approved by the government, despite the Food and Drug Administration issuing its “final rule” on the vaccine a year ago.

The suit also says the Defense Department has failed to follow presidential orders and federal laws that require the government to obtain informed consent before giving an unapproved and experimental vaccine to anyone.

“FDA’s certification of the vaccine, which is based on slipshod statistical analysis and improper use of testing data, as well as DoD’s alteration of the vaccine dosing schedule, render the vaccine a drug unapproved for its applied use under current federal law,” said Chicago lawyer John J. Michels, Jr., co-counsel in the lawsuit. “Under these circumstances, the vaccine may not be administered to service members without their informed consent. It is patently illegal.”

The new lawsuit is just the latest chapter in the long and turbulent history of the Pentagon’s anthrax vaccination program. Since December 2004, the six-shot anthrax vaccine has been optional for all troops following the decision of a federal judge for the U.S District Court for the District of Columbia to halt the mandatory program with an injunction.

In December 2005, the FDA finalized its approval of the vaccine and a federal appeals court dissolved the injunction, clearing the way for the Pentagon to resume mandatory shots.

The Pentagon announced in October that mandatory inoculations would resume, but defense officials are still formulating some parts of the vaccination plan, which is now expected to begin early next year. The policy announced in October directs mandatory anthrax shots for troops, emergency-essential civilians and Defense Department contractors carrying out mission-essential services in the Central Command area or South Korea for 15 consecutive days or more. Others assigned to special mission units, such as biodefense units, are also expected to be vaccinated as needed under the new policy.

As in the first anthrax vaccine lawsuit, the five male and one female plaintiffs are unnamed — out of “fear of retaliation by the government,” their lawyers say. Court documents claim they run the gamut of those who will be required to take the vaccine after the new year: active-duty service members, reservists, National Guardsmen, civilian Defense Department employees and contractors.

Robert Gates, who will be sworn in as defense secretary Monday, replacing Donald Rumsfeld, is named in the lawsuit, along with Heath and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt and Andrew C. Von Eschnebach, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.

The Defense Department had no immediate comment on the lawsuit Wednesday morning.

Pentagon officials have long maintained that the anthrax vaccine is safe, and say that the 2005 FDA ruling grants them the legal authority to administer the vaccine as they see fit. Only about half of the troops offered the vaccine during the voluntary phase of the program have taken the shots, and officials say it is a preventive-medicine and military-readiness concern for half of the force to be vaccinated and half not to be, officials have said.

“This rate of vaccination not only put service members at risk but also jeopardized unit effectiveness and degraded our medical readiness,” said Dr. William Winkenwerder Jr., assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, in announcing the resumption of mandatory shots in October.

Blue Wave Gym · 12-13-2006, 01:52 PM

my m.o.s. was 54 bravo chemical operations(recon)
and I know alot about wmd and hweres the reason I saw a statistic the said 100,000 solider from gw1 have did many from gulf war syndrome I do'nt know if the figure is accutrate and I certainly don't trust the gov to tell the truth it was either the vaccinats,pills or the oil that messed those guys up and the gov said it's all in your head and denyed untill finally admitting it.
So I don't blame people for not wanting the vaccine.

**Hardball** · 12-13-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

my m.o.s. was 54 bravo chemical operations(recon)
and I know alot about wmd and hweres the reason I saw a statistic the said 100,000 solider from gw1 have did many from gulf war syndrome I do'nt know if the figure is accutrate and I certainly don't trust the gov to tell the truth it was either the vaccinats,pills or the oil that messed those guys up and the gov said it's all in your head and denyed untill finally admitting it.
So I don't blame people for not wanting the vaccine.

What are the symptoms?

Blue Wave Gym · 12-13-2006, 02:10 PM

hair loss chronic fatigue strange cancer one guys seamen was so tocxic it burned his wife. The childern of these couples had tons of birth defects very sad. Google gulf war syndrome I don't kow if they ever foud out what caused it rember in jarhead when the guy wouldn't take the pills. It's like the agent orange thing all over again.

**Hardball** · 12-13-2006, 02:47 PM

I'm confused. Is this caused by the vaccine or the exposure to burning oil?

Blue Wave Gym · 12-13-2006, 02:55 PM

think it's a combo of pill shots and oil a hell of a cocktail to bad may god heal everyone of then a be with the decased in heaven. Did you know that if you kill your self you can't be buried in a military cemeitary. What if ptsd drove you to do it. Or you o.d. on a drug trying to escape nightmares. That's dumb if you ask me.

**Hardball** · 12-13-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

think it's a combo of pill shots and oil a hell of a cocktail to bad may god heal everyone of then a be with the decased in heaven. Did you know that if you kill your self you can't be buried in a military cemeitary. What if ptsd drove you to do it. Or you o.d. on a drug trying to escape nightmares. That's dumb if you ask me.

Are you thinking of suicide?

Blue Wave Gym · 12-13-2006, 03:11 PM

I'm worth 100, 00 dollars if I go naturall or get a saf dropped on me like in a carttoon or go to mecca with a f mohammed t-shirt on
but zip if I off myself.

**Hardball** · 12-13-2006, 03:32 PM

o.k., I thought you were going Samauri for a moment! Ha Ha

Blue Wave Gym · 12-13-2006, 03:40 PM

that david duke went to that holocoust deniers conference in iran hosted by their pres akmed jihad. To bad the lod didn't bring the roof down.

**Hardball** · 12-13-2006, 03:47 PM

Yea, you can be Isreal had some spies there also.

Tom Yum · 12-13-2006, 04:21 PM

f**k suicide.

God, country and corps did not give you permission to die by your own hands.

BoarSpear · 12-13-2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

To bad the lod didn't bring the roof down.

Lod? Is that Lord or Load, the similarities make it tough to be sure which one you meant.

Tom Yum · 12-13-2006, 05:27 PM

PS - the neg rep is deserved for the reason suggested. i'm determined to get through it and keeping the proper mindset beforehand is a start

PM me, if you've already gone through the program. I welcome any advice you have to offer. If you haven't, your opinion is still welcome anyway.

Thanks

Tom Yum · 12-13-2006, 06:38 PM

No PM

?

12-13-2006, 01:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	What's the Skinny on Anthrax Vaccine? Would like to hear from those who have first hand knowledge. Why do soldiers oppose the mandatory anthrax vaccine? The following is from todays www.armytimes.com Anthrax vaccine opponents file new lawsuit By Gayle S. Putrich Staff writer The legal battle over the military’s mandatory anthrax immunization program has been revived, with six unnamed plaintiffs filing a class-action lawsuit against the government Wednesday. According to court documents, the basic premise of the lawsuit is the plaintiffs’ claim that the vaccine is “unapproved for its applied/intended use.” The lawsuit says that “plaintiffs will suffer substantial and irreparable injury if they are forced to take the vaccine,” which the suit says has not been properly approved by the government, despite the Food and Drug Administration issuing its “final rule” on the vaccine a year ago. The suit also says the Defense Department has failed to follow presidential orders and federal laws that require the government to obtain informed consent before giving an unapproved and experimental vaccine to anyone. “FDA’s certification of the vaccine, which is based on slipshod statistical analysis and improper use of testing data, as well as DoD’s alteration of the vaccine dosing schedule, render the vaccine a drug unapproved for its applied use under current federal law,” said Chicago lawyer John J. Michels, Jr., co-counsel in the lawsuit. “Under these circumstances, the vaccine may not be administered to service members without their informed consent. It is patently illegal.” The new lawsuit is just the latest chapter in the long and turbulent history of the Pentagon’s anthrax vaccination program. Since December 2004, the six-shot anthrax vaccine has been optional for all troops following the decision of a federal judge for the U.S District Court for the District of Columbia to halt the mandatory program with an injunction. In December 2005, the FDA finalized its approval of the vaccine and a federal appeals court dissolved the injunction, clearing the way for the Pentagon to resume mandatory shots. The Pentagon announced in October that mandatory inoculations would resume, but defense officials are still formulating some parts of the vaccination plan, which is now expected to begin early next year. The policy announced in October directs mandatory anthrax shots for troops, emergency-essential civilians and Defense Department contractors carrying out mission-essential services in the Central Command area or South Korea for 15 consecutive days or more. Others assigned to special mission units, such as biodefense units, are also expected to be vaccinated as needed under the new policy. As in the first anthrax vaccine lawsuit, the five male and one female plaintiffs are unnamed — out of “fear of retaliation by the government,” their lawyers say. Court documents claim they run the gamut of those who will be required to take the vaccine after the new year: active-duty service members, reservists, National Guardsmen, civilian Defense Department employees and contractors. Robert Gates, who will be sworn in as defense secretary Monday, replacing Donald Rumsfeld, is named in the lawsuit, along with Heath and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt and Andrew C. Von Eschnebach, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. The Defense Department had no immediate comment on the lawsuit Wednesday morning. Pentagon officials have long maintained that the anthrax vaccine is safe, and say that the 2005 FDA ruling grants them the legal authority to administer the vaccine as they see fit. Only about half of the troops offered the vaccine during the voluntary phase of the program have taken the shots, and officials say it is a preventive-medicine and military-readiness concern for half of the force to be vaccinated and half not to be, officials have said. “This rate of vaccination not only put service members at risk but also jeopardized unit effectiveness and degraded our medical readiness,” said Dr. William Winkenwerder Jr., assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, in announcing the resumption of mandatory shots in October. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 50,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

12-13-2006, 01:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	ok my m.o.s. was 54 bravo chemical operations(recon) and I know alot about wmd and hweres the reason I saw a statistic the said 100,000 solider from gw1 have did many from gulf war syndrome I do'nt know if the figure is accutrate and I certainly don't trust the gov to tell the truth it was either the vaccinats,pills or the oil that messed those guys up and the gov said it's all in your head and denyed untill finally admitting it. So I don't blame people for not wanting the vaccine. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

12-13-2006, 02:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	har to remberbut hair loss chronic fatigue strange cancer one guys seamen was so tocxic it burned his wife. The childern of these couples had tons of birth defects very sad. Google gulf war syndrome I don't kow if they ever foud out what caused it rember in jarhead when the guy wouldn't take the pills. It's like the agent orange thing all over again. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

12-13-2006, 02:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm confused. Is this caused by the vaccine or the exposure to burning oil? __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 50,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

12-13-2006, 02:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	they think it's a combo of pill shots and oil a hell of a cocktail to bad may god heal everyone of then a be with the decased in heaven. Did you know that if you kill your self you can't be buried in a military cemeitary. What if ptsd drove you to do it. Or you o.d. on a drug trying to escape nightmares. That's dumb if you ask me. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

12-13-2006, 03:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	no no I'm worth 100, 00 dollars if I go naturall or get a saf dropped on me like in a carttoon or go to mecca with a f mohammed t-shirt on but zip if I off myself. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

12-13-2006, 03:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	o.k., I thought you were going Samauri for a moment! Ha Ha __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 50,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

12-13-2006, 03:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Did you know that david duke went to that holocoust deniers conference in iran hosted by their pres akmed jihad. To bad the lod didn't bring the roof down. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

12-13-2006, 03:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Yea, you can be Isreal had some spies there also. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 50,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

12-13-2006, 04:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,307 Groans: 1 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	f**k suicide. God, country and corps did not give you permission to die by your own hands. __________________ Love it, leave it or fix it.

12-13-2006, 05:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,307 Groans: 1 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	To the neg repper PS - the neg rep is deserved for the reason suggested. i'm determined to get through it and keeping the proper mindset beforehand is a start PM me, if you've already gone through the program. I welcome any advice you have to offer. If you haven't, your opinion is still welcome anyway. Thanks __________________ Love it, leave it or fix it. Last edited by Tom Yum; 12-13-2006 at 05:35 PM.

12-13-2006, 06:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,307 Groans: 1 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	No PM ? __________________ Love it, leave it or fix it.

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